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Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by giancarlostoro »

Filligree wrote: post #88
willis936 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really feel this. I manage about a hundred computers for scientists/students. Total free reign. Some want to use linux. I’m sorry, you will never have working audio. Oh. It looks like the available linux drivers don’t play nice with this sandy bridge mobo and the dm will fail to initialize. The list goes on. Never have I seen lack of hardware support on windows. I think that’s the essence of “just works” here.

> Never have I seen lack of hardware support on windows. I think that’s the essence of “just works” here. Ever since the 2004 windows update, the dGPU in my windows laptop randomly turns on after sleep. If I try to force it off, it bluescreens. Battery life has gone from 10 hours to 3. Tell me again about how good Windows' drivers are?

The only laptops that old I know still run just fine are all Macs, props for keeping that thing alive, I usually give laptops about 6 years tops before I consider them dead (they usually die on their own for various reasons).

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by MegaDeKay »

larrik wrote: post #82
severino wrote: post #53

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I know lot of people use excel, and can't live without it. Anyway, the point is that we can blame Linux for kernel or driver issues, its thousands of desktop environments for its bugs, etc, but I don't think it's fair to say that Linux "doesn't work" just because Microsoft will never release Linux versions of their desktop software. I have a working Linux desktop and I also use spreadsheets in my day to day work.

I can barely tell the difference between Excel and LibreOffice Calc with both of them open on the same computer...

"Then you haven’t really used excel beyond loading a CSV into a table."

Bad example. I've brought LibreOffice to its knees after importing a CSV file: went to adjust a column width and it became non-responsive. And this was within the last year. They have done a lot of performance work on LibreOffice and I appreciate that, but it is a long way away from Excel for serious work.

My favorite snag was on a plot with the X-axis labeled with date text at an angle. I could have horribly aliased ugly fast text, or I could have nicely anti-aliased text that slowed moving around in the sheet to a crawl. But I couldn't have nice text on a spreadsheet I could still work in.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by Sangeppato »

somedude11 wrote: post #64
Sangeppato wrote: post #39

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I agree, if you just want to use Linux a classic Thinkpad/XPS will play well with it

Unless you want your built in cellular modem to work properly.

Sorry to hear that, I always assumed that at least the ThinkPads were 100% compatible

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by JamesSwift »

Sorry for the ignorance, but what does this mean? I understand from the article that the patch allows the full Hyper-V stack to run on a linux-based machine (as opposed to previously needing windows to run the root partition). But what does _that_ mean to have the ability to run Hyper-V entirely on linux? Is it just a "good to have options" thing?

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by withinboredom »

qalmakka wrote: post #77
Diggsey wrote: post #48

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It's really not. With WSL2 the kernel runs in a VM, but user-space programs do not. As a result, CPU-bound programs suffer close to zero overhead compared to running natively on linux. AFAIK, there's no way to achieve anything like this on macOS.

You got it completely wrong. WSL1 was a system call translation layer, and everything worked directly on the Windows kernel, like Windows programs do under WINE. WSL2 is an standard Hyper-V virtual machine, no more no less, with a custom Linux kernel build and a ext4 root filesystem stored in a .vhdx image. Every process runs as a native Linux process under the Microsoft's Linux kernel, _inside_ the VM. What makes it…

And you got it all wrong :p. It’s not a “standard Hyper-V virtual machine” you can’t make one from scratch.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by wayneftw »

jacquesm wrote: post #90
aunty_helen wrote: post #3

>Windows 10 is on a path to becoming a hybrid Windows/Linux system This sounds promising, something closer to OSX would give apple competition for devs like myself that want a linux based system and a fluffy "it-just-works" gui

So use Linux if you want an 'it just works' gui. It just works. I've been using Linux as my daily driver since just about forever and it works just fine. Very, very rarely do I hit the limitations of the system, usually this is when trying to do something weird such as running 8 sound cards in the same machine or some other strange hardware feat. But other than that it is very hard to find flaws in the day-to-day use…

I've been using Manjaro Linux as my daily driver for 2 years and I can't complain at all about it. It absolutely just works. Installing software is easier than any other OS and Manjaro's default desktop environment, XFCE, does a Windows-style UI better than Windows 10 does IMO and with more features, like being able to middle-click taskbar items to close them just like Chrome tabs - a feature I used to have to hack Windows to enable. Even when I've had to write small scripts for XFCE to add features, I don't feel like I'm hacking because everything I'm doing is supported.

Of course I keep a few separate Windows PCs around to do things that Windows can only do (when I need to do them, which hasn't happened for quite some time now) like SQL Server Management Studio, Visual Studio and some games/video streaming services.

Also, I keep a Mac around to do Mac things like debugging an iOS app or helping some junior developers who only know how to use a Mac.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by tester34 »

de_watcher wrote: post #44
nicoburns wrote: post #42

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Lack of support for GUI apps such as MS Office, Adobe Creative Suite, etc. It was actually workable with wine a few years back, but that was before everything went to an auto-updating subscription model.

So make these apps work on Linux. They go instead inventing VMs and hypervisors to extend their walled gardens.

but they did afaik? there's Excel online.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by mastax »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #101
Filligree wrote: post #88

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> Never have I seen lack of hardware support on windows. I think that’s the essence of “just works” here. Ever since the 2004 windows update, the dGPU in my windows laptop randomly turns on after sleep. If I try to force it off, it bluescreens. Battery life has gone from 10 hours to 3. Tell me again about how good Windows' drivers are?

The only laptops that old I know still run just fine are all Macs, props for keeping that thing alive, I usually give laptops about 6 years tops before I consider them dead (they usually die on their own for various reasons).

"2004" means a build of Windows 10 originally built in April 2020.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by NikolaeVarius »

Sangeppato wrote: post #103
somedude11 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you want your built in cellular modem to work properly.

Sorry to hear that, I always assumed that at least the ThinkPads were 100% compatible

Fingerprint Drivers have never worked, outside the Lenovo specific spin.
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