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Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by willis936 »

milankragujevic wrote: post #38
severino wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what's wrong with Linux if you want a Linux based system? I don't remember the last time I got a Linux desktop which didn't "just work"; of course I try to avoid exotic hardware components, but the truth is that you can run into driver problems and issues too when running operating systems you pay money for, like Windows.

I would say that these days the exotic components are the ones that DO work on Linux, and various common components just don't, or work "on paper" but with debilitating bugs.

I really feel this. I manage about a hundred computers for scientists/students. Total free reign. Some want to use linux. I’m sorry, you will never have working audio. Oh. It looks like the available linux drivers don’t play nice with this sandy bridge mobo and the dm will fail to initialize. The list goes on.

Never have I seen lack of hardware support on windows. I think that’s the essence of “just works” here.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by nicoburns »

severino wrote: post #35
aunty_helen wrote: post #3

>Windows 10 is on a path to becoming a hybrid Windows/Linux system This sounds promising, something closer to OSX would give apple competition for devs like myself that want a linux based system and a fluffy "it-just-works" gui

So what's wrong with Linux if you want a Linux based system? I don't remember the last time I got a Linux desktop which didn't "just work"; of course I try to avoid exotic hardware components, but the truth is that you can run into driver problems and issues too when running operating systems you pay money for, like Windows.

Lack of support for GUI apps such as MS Office, Adobe Creative Suite, etc. It was actually workable with wine a few years back, but that was before everything went to an auto-updating subscription model.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by bugBunny »

The only reason I am still using windows is MS office. I might give it a try myself... My home machine is running Arch linux and works flawlessly for more then two years already. Just my work is still stucked with a lot of documentations sharing between some other people and I need MS office programs which have no alternative in open-source word. well, the office.com looks promising these days and I hope to switch completely ASAP.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by de_watcher »

nicoburns wrote: post #42
severino wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what's wrong with Linux if you want a Linux based system? I don't remember the last time I got a Linux desktop which didn't "just work"; of course I try to avoid exotic hardware components, but the truth is that you can run into driver problems and issues too when running operating systems you pay money for, like Windows.

Lack of support for GUI apps such as MS Office, Adobe Creative Suite, etc. It was actually workable with wine a few years back, but that was before everything went to an auto-updating subscription model.

So make these apps work on Linux. They go instead inventing VMs and hypervisors to extend their walled gardens.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by severino »

nicoburns wrote: post #42
severino wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what's wrong with Linux if you want a Linux based system? I don't remember the last time I got a Linux desktop which didn't "just work"; of course I try to avoid exotic hardware components, but the truth is that you can run into driver problems and issues too when running operating systems you pay money for, like Windows.

Lack of support for GUI apps such as MS Office, Adobe Creative Suite, etc. It was actually workable with wine a few years back, but that was before everything went to an auto-updating subscription model.

I can understand some people have specific needs and have to use software like that, but I wouldn't say an OS doesn't work just because you can't use some software on it.

You can't also have Omnigraffle for Windows, yet nobody would say Windows doesn't work for that reason.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by baq »

severino wrote: post #35
aunty_helen wrote: post #3

>Windows 10 is on a path to becoming a hybrid Windows/Linux system This sounds promising, something closer to OSX would give apple competition for devs like myself that want a linux based system and a fluffy "it-just-works" gui

So what's wrong with Linux if you want a Linux based system? I don't remember the last time I got a Linux desktop which didn't "just work"; of course I try to avoid exotic hardware components, but the truth is that you can run into driver problems and issues too when running operating systems you pay money for, like Windows.

Windows drivers for GPUs have at least an order of magnitude more people working on them than Linux drivers.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by tremon »

microtonal wrote: post #19
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't matter how the hypervisor is arranged, but it is still just a virtual machine. Just because it happens to run on a type1 vs type2 hypervisor means not much, or just go ask around whether Xen is any faster than KVM these days.

But the filesystem integration is much better than a VM in macOS, being able to run Window programs from Linux, etc. Also, Windows has decent X11 servers that work well with retina displays, which can't be said of XQuartz.

The filesystem integration is not without flaws though, it doesn't seem to implement full posix semantics.

Many times in WSL2 I've had a git rebase fail because it couldn't overwrite existing files, and every time it could be fixed by just running git rebase --continue. The actual problem seems to be that WSL2 system calls return before the NTFS operation completes, so quick successions of create-after-unlink or write-after-rename can have unexpected results.

For this reason I still keep a WSL1 environment, it doesn't have the same issues (and doesn't appear to be any slower for filesystem operations).

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by Diggsey »

selsta wrote: post #9
kubanczyk wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ecosystem is already there for devs, except for those interested with directly interacting with their laptop's hardware. I've migrated from MBP to Win10 WSL three months ago and it's like a breath of fresh air for general $DayJob backend CRUD-like work. I'd still prefer a Linux laptop, but WSL is so much closer to a real Linux box. I don't think I touched PowerShell or any .BAT stuff even once.

WSL2 is a simple virtual machine. Nothing you couldn’t do on macOS with e.g. multipass.

It's really not. With WSL2 the kernel runs in a VM, but user-space programs do not. As a result, CPU-bound programs suffer close to zero overhead compared to running natively on linux.

AFAIK, there's no way to achieve anything like this on macOS.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

#49

Post by sneak »

severino wrote: post #45
nicoburns wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lack of support for GUI apps such as MS Office, Adobe Creative Suite, etc. It was actually workable with wine a few years back, but that was before everything went to an auto-updating subscription model.

I can understand some people have specific needs and have to use software like that, but I wouldn't say an OS doesn't work just because you can't use some software on it. You can't also have Omnigraffle for Windows, yet nobody would say Windows doesn't work for that reason.

Excel is, in and of itself, a single reason alone for many people in various industries to own or operate a computer.

If computers no longer ran Excel, they would buy a dedicated Excel Machine to do it, and put it on their desk next to their computer.

You can make a similar argument about Premiere and After Effects, although the fact that Resolve runs on Linux is helping the situation a little.

The Autodesk products are another case.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by ekianjo »

nicoburns wrote: post #42
severino wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what's wrong with Linux if you want a Linux based system? I don't remember the last time I got a Linux desktop which didn't "just work"; of course I try to avoid exotic hardware components, but the truth is that you can run into driver problems and issues too when running operating systems you pay money for, like Windows.

Lack of support for GUI apps such as MS Office, Adobe Creative Suite, etc. It was actually workable with wine a few years back, but that was before everything went to an auto-updating subscription model.

> Lack of support for GUI apps such as MS Office,

not the same but you have Office 365 that does a reasonable job for most documents out there.

On the other hand, not having Office is kind of a feature, it makes you learn better tools :)

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