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Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by jacquesm »

x87678r wrote: post #89
severino wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what's wrong with Linux if you want a Linux based system? I don't remember the last time I got a Linux desktop which didn't "just work"; of course I try to avoid exotic hardware components, but the truth is that you can run into driver problems and issues too when running operating systems you pay money for, like Windows.

Last two jobs I've had you can only connect to work from MacOS or Windows. They've had some custom virus scanner.

Fair point, corporate IT can be a nightmare in that sense. Even if the OS is intrinsically safer the fact that a particular band-aid can not be installed could easily be a dealbreaker.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by Kaze404 »

baq wrote: post #46
severino wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what's wrong with Linux if you want a Linux based system? I don't remember the last time I got a Linux desktop which didn't "just work"; of course I try to avoid exotic hardware components, but the truth is that you can run into driver problems and issues too when running operating systems you pay money for, like Windows.

Windows drivers for GPUs have at least an order of magnitude more people working on them than Linux drivers.

And yet I use mine to play video games all the time with zero performance loss that I can tell.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by jacquesm »

nicoburns wrote: post #42
severino wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what's wrong with Linux if you want a Linux based system? I don't remember the last time I got a Linux desktop which didn't "just work"; of course I try to avoid exotic hardware components, but the truth is that you can run into driver problems and issues too when running operating systems you pay money for, like Windows.

Lack of support for GUI apps such as MS Office, Adobe Creative Suite, etc. It was actually workable with wine a few years back, but that was before everything went to an auto-updating subscription model.

That is not really Linux' fault though. If you all keep buying this auto-updating subscription crap you are sending the signal to the companies involved that you bought in to their view. The only way to make them reconsider is to stop using it.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by Filligree »

tremon wrote: post #47
microtonal wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the filesystem integration is much better than a VM in macOS, being able to run Window programs from Linux, etc. Also, Windows has decent X11 servers that work well with retina displays, which can't be said of XQuartz.

The filesystem integration is not without flaws though, it doesn't seem to implement full posix semantics. Many times in WSL2 I've had a git rebase fail because it couldn't overwrite existing files, and every time it could be fixed by just running git rebase --continue. The actual problem seems to be that WSL2 system calls return before the NTFS operation completes, so quick successions of create-after-unlink or writ…

> For this reason I still keep a WSL1 environment, it doesn't have the same issues (and doesn't appear to be any slower for filesystem operations).

It's definitely a great deal slower for filesystem operations inside the Linux system. Filesystem operations outside the VM's disk image go through 9p, which gives you basically the same performance for both.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by jacquesm »

willis936 wrote: post #59
tomrod wrote: post #58

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Weird. Outside of wifi Debian and Fedora always just work for my exotic configs.

Ububtu is almost exclusively requested. I wouldn’t say most of these configs are exotic, just legacy.

You must be filing a lot of tickets then.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by mhoad »

jacquesm wrote: post #90
aunty_helen wrote: post #3

>Windows 10 is on a path to becoming a hybrid Windows/Linux system This sounds promising, something closer to OSX would give apple competition for devs like myself that want a linux based system and a fluffy "it-just-works" gui

So use Linux if you want an 'it just works' gui. It just works. I've been using Linux as my daily driver since just about forever and it works just fine. Very, very rarely do I hit the limitations of the system, usually this is when trying to do something weird such as running 8 sound cards in the same machine or some other strange hardware feat. But other than that it is very hard to find flaws in the day-to-day use…

I would second this. I finally got rid of my MacBook Pro after all kinds of hardware problems and moved to Linux as my daily driver. I made a point of buying a new laptop that was built by a System76 type company in Europe to avoid any weird hardware compatibility issues and it really does work perfectly for me. I’m using Pop_OS 20.04 for what it’s worth.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by MegaDeKay »

ekianjo wrote: post #50
nicoburns wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lack of support for GUI apps such as MS Office, Adobe Creative Suite, etc. It was actually workable with wine a few years back, but that was before everything went to an auto-updating subscription model.

> Lack of support for GUI apps such as MS Office, not the same but you have Office 365 that does a reasonable job for most documents out there. On the other hand, not having Office is kind of a feature, it makes you learn better tools :)

If you mean the web apps, they work until they don't. Often it is a function you would never expect:

- in Excel, you can clear conditional formatting rules but you can't manage them. And text in text boxes turn into images that can't be edited, only moved.

- in Word, formulas turn to images. Complex tables break.

- Visio... well, there is no web app version of Visio.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by milankragujevic »

Filligree wrote: post #88
willis936 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really feel this. I manage about a hundred computers for scientists/students. Total free reign. Some want to use linux. I’m sorry, you will never have working audio. Oh. It looks like the available linux drivers don’t play nice with this sandy bridge mobo and the dm will fail to initialize. The list goes on. Never have I seen lack of hardware support on windows. I think that’s the essence of “just works” here.

> Never have I seen lack of hardware support on windows. I think that’s the essence of “just works” here. Ever since the 2004 windows update, the dGPU in my windows laptop randomly turns on after sleep. If I try to force it off, it bluescreens. Battery life has gone from 10 hours to 3. Tell me again about how good Windows' drivers are?

That is not due to drivers, and nobody negates how bad Windows 10 is and that it becomes worse with every update. Still doesn't address the fact that you dGPU probably wouldn't work on Linux at all, or, more probable, would stay on all the time.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by baryphonic »

jacquesm wrote: post #90
aunty_helen wrote: post #3

>Windows 10 is on a path to becoming a hybrid Windows/Linux system This sounds promising, something closer to OSX would give apple competition for devs like myself that want a linux based system and a fluffy "it-just-works" gui

So use Linux if you want an 'it just works' gui. It just works. I've been using Linux as my daily driver since just about forever and it works just fine. Very, very rarely do I hit the limitations of the system, usually this is when trying to do something weird such as running 8 sound cards in the same machine or some other strange hardware feat. But other than that it is very hard to find flaws in the day-to-day use…

I recently had an issue with my Linux Mint desktop where a power outage somehow introduced a hard disk error that was not easy to resolve (unless one knows exactly what to look for in the logs and knows the correct `fsck` incantation from memory). Linux is definitely still worth it, but the "just works" factor is just significantly less than MacOS.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by Abishek_Muthian »

aunty_helen wrote: post #3

>Windows 10 is on a path to becoming a hybrid Windows/Linux system This sounds promising, something closer to OSX would give apple competition for devs like myself that want a linux based system and a fluffy "it-just-works" gui

>something closer to OSX would give apple competition for devs like myself that want a linux based system

Apple has been consistently removing native *nix tools from the system with every iteration. I was recently surprised to see it still had SFTP built-in (although I'm not sure how long that would last).

But, homebrew still does save the day. I wonder whether binary notarization requirements will affect that too.

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