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Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

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Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

#71
post #42

Stupidly to poison someone, and then give them to other country.... 0_0 Say someone is a leader this less then 2% stupidly too...

Not if your objective is to send a public message.

Putin isn't afraid of the foreign response. He's afraid of domestic enemies gaining enough confidence to attempt a coup. Domestic enemies are the sole threat to Putin. He wants them terrified; he wants them to understand that he will kill them as necessary. Putin knows very well the first rule of being a dictator (which Lukashenko has forgotten): if you want to be dictator you're going to have to kill people, and if you want to remain dictator, you're going to have to keep killing people so long as you want to retain that position.

If you're Putin, ideally Navalny lives and is grotesquely destroyed, broken, by the poison; an example for all that would challenge his power. It says: I can do this to anyone in Russia at any time, I don't need to be very subtle about it beyond minimum plausible deniability, and there is nothing the world can do to stop me.

Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

#72

This guy has gotta be one of the bravest and most principled people out there. Almost anyone else would have determined that fighting this fight has no practical utility, since nothing short of a massive popular uprising could unseat Putin at this point, and Russians apparently have no appetite for such an uprising today. Hard enough to risk your life for something that might have a good outcome. To me, it's almost i…

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Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

#74
post #48
post #43

This is the second time they've done this, IIRC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Skripal It's pretty much the ultimate flex, no? "We can kill anyone we want in any country, and you can't do shit about it."

I love it how the mainstream media gets to decide what's a conspiracy theory and what's not.

Tupac is alive in Dominican Republic is a conspiracy theory.

I don't have Novichok in my fridge, only Russian secret services can get hold of it so maybe, just maybe we can wonder...

Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

#75
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on what you want to achieve. A reliable source just verified to all other potential opponents that they might be poisoned.

>A reliable source Right...my reliable source just verified that they might not be poisoned.

Not my reliable source, but the Government of Germany.

Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

#76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Merkel of Germany has been chancellor since 2005 (15 years) Putin has been president since 2000 with 4 years break (16 years). So technically he is not THAT bad in comparison.

German elections are considerably more legitimate. For one, opposition politicians aren’t poisoned.

What party is navalny a member of? How many seats do they have?

Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

#77

Astounding levels of Pro-Putin astroturfing in this thread...

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Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

#78

This guy has gotta be one of the bravest and most principled people out there. Almost anyone else would have determined that fighting this fight has no practical utility, since nothing short of a massive popular uprising could unseat Putin at this point, and Russians apparently have no appetite for such an uprising today. Hard enough to risk your life for something that might have a good outcome. To me, it's almost i…

> Russians apparently have no appetite for such an uprising today >

Many Russians would disagree with you [1]. And would you have appetite if you would be treated like the protesters are treated in Russia?

[1]: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-49220117

Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

#79
post #49

This guy has gotta be one of the bravest and most principled people out there. Almost anyone else would have determined that fighting this fight has no practical utility, since nothing short of a massive popular uprising could unseat Putin at this point, and Russians apparently have no appetite for such an uprising today. Hard enough to risk your life for something that might have a good outcome. To me, it's almost i…

Anyone with such a cynical attitude like yours is inevitably doomed to failure. I’m not picking on you, specifically, just pointing out why these powers can hold such a firm grasp. Hope is really scarce these days.

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Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

#80

I wouldn't be so quick to point the finger at Putin or a government conspiracy personally. There are a lot of powerful billionaires in Russia who exist thanks to Putin and it seems plausible that one of them, given their vested interest in keeping their patron in charge, might have poisoned the man.

And that billionaire just happens to have access to a Russian Military Chemical Weapon?

well, it's Russia. USA feared that generals could sell nukes a while ago, but I sincerely doubt that any oligarch would do this without Putin's approval. Too high profile. And if Putin approved this (one way or another) there's no need for oligarchs to get involved.

So it's not an oligarch thing but reaches the highest levels of Russian government

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