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Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

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Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

#51
post #20

Maybe I'm too skeptical, but this seems a bit too obvious to me. Why would you try to poison someone with no real threat to you and risk him becoming a martyr, using a method that immediately brings you to mind, with a nerve agent that is also strongly linked to you?

Didn't they poison some guy with radioactive isotopes a few years back? I don't think they care about it being attributed to them, or think that being attributed to them has positive value .

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Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

#52
post #28

Is he really the opposition leader? Who gave him that name? What party or elected position is he part of in the Duma?

Opposition in Russia does not follow classic definitions. The elected opposition in Russia in the Duma is constructed by the ruling party. That opposition are opposed politically but supports “the system”. Navalnyj is part of the Opposition that is critical to the very system of Russian politics and are thus not allowed to run for elected office in Russia. That’s why the Duma opposition in Russia seldom gets a lot of votes - because it’s not really an opposition.

Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

#53
post #42

Stupidly to poison someone, and then give them to other country.... 0_0 Say someone is a leader this less then 2% stupidly too...

Depends on what you want to achieve. A reliable source just verified to all other potential opponents that they might be poisoned.

>A reliable source

Right...my reliable source just verified that they might not be poisoned.

Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

#54
post #48
post #43

This is the second time they've done this, IIRC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Skripal It's pretty much the ultimate flex, no? "We can kill anyone we want in any country, and you can't do shit about it."

I love it how the mainstream media gets to decide what's a conspiracy theory and what's not.

The attempted murder of Sergei Skripal by Russia is a conspiracy theory?

Who else would poison him with a nerve agent? Who else would have the motive? Who'd have access to such an agent?

Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

#56
post #21
post #4

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novichok_agent “ These agents were designed to achieve four objectives:[21][22] to be undetectable using standard 1970s and 1980s NATO chemical detection equipment; to defeat NATO chemical protective gear; to be safer to handle; and to circumvent the Chemical Weapons Convention list of controlled precursors, classes of chemical and physical form.[23]”

This is bad. But it was targeted. I worry about how easy it would be for terrorists to do something very bad with a large quantity of this stuff seeing it's so easy to move about.

You know that everyone else but you is getting paid to post on this forum?

Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

#57
post #42

Stupidly to poison someone, and then give them to other country.... 0_0 Say someone is a leader this less then 2% stupidly too...

I am almost certain that they wanted to send a message about who did it. Warning to other "loudmouths" that cause trouble for the ruling party. If you read on his site /YT he mentions names and how they steal. That's a no-no over there.

They could have paid a homeless person to shoot him or just ask a Russian mafiosi to do it. But no, they want to send a message.

Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

#58

I wouldn't be so quick to point the finger at Putin or a government conspiracy personally. There are a lot of powerful billionaires in Russia who exist thanks to Putin and it seems plausible that one of them, given their vested interest in keeping their patron in charge, might have poisoned the man.

If it had been a one-off assassination attempt, maybe.

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Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

#59
post #54
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love it how the mainstream media gets to decide what's a conspiracy theory and what's not.

The attempted murder of Sergei Skripal by Russia is a conspiracy theory? Who else would poison him with a nerve agent? Who else would have the motive? Who'd have access to such an agent?

All of the evidence that it was Russia is entirely circumstantial, if we're being strictly accurate here, which is... convenient.

On the other hand, exactly zero other groups seem to be using those nerve agents to assassinate people, so it's a great calling card if they wish to discourage others from following in the victims' footsteps.

Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

#60
post #16

If it was in his tea he never would have made it on the plane. The inventor of Novichok pointed this out and said it was likely applied to his skin.

In the case of the Skripals, the effects were slower than that, seems to be around three hours, from quick googling.
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