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Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

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Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

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The man is ex-KGB, installed himself in power for life and somehow his critics have a way of getting killed or tripping on some soviet nerve agents.

Merkel of Germany has been chancellor since 2005 (15 years) Putin has been president since 2000 with 4 years break (16 years). So technically he is not THAT bad in comparison.

German elections are considerably more legitimate. For one, opposition politicians aren’t poisoned.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia knows no one is going to do anything about it. This method lets people know what tools they are willing to use on an adversary. And it’s also a signature “we did it” so you don’t have to guess who’s after you. It serves as a warning to any upstarts as well. It’s not all that different from the Ndraghetta bombings up and down Italy in the late XX cent.

I'm thinking, if they wanted to do it quietly, we wouldn't all be reading about it now.

Or they couldn't do it as quiet as they wanted. They're known for relative incompetence.

Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

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Stupidly to poison someone, and then give them to other country.... 0_0 Say someone is a leader this less then 2% stupidly too...

Depends on what you want to achieve.

A reliable source just verified to all other potential opponents that they might be poisoned.

Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novichok_agent “ These agents were designed to achieve four objectives:[21][22] to be undetectable using standard 1970s and 1980s NATO chemical detection equipment; to defeat NATO chemical protective gear; to be safer to handle; and to circumvent the Chemical Weapons Convention list of controlled precursors, classes of chemical and physical form.[23]”

This is bad. But it was targeted. I worry about how easy it would be for terrorists to do something very bad with a large quantity of this stuff seeing it's so easy to move about.

It's not easy to obtain or synthesize. Terrorists prefer simpler approaches.

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This is the second time they've done this, IIRC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Skripal It's pretty much the ultimate flex, no? "We can kill anyone we want in any country, and you can't do shit about it."

I love it how the mainstream media gets to decide what's a conspiracy theory and what's not.

Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

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This guy has gotta be one of the bravest and most principled people out there. Almost anyone else would have determined that fighting this fight has no practical utility, since nothing short of a massive popular uprising could unseat Putin at this point, and Russians apparently have no appetite for such an uprising today. Hard enough to risk your life for something that might have a good outcome. To me, it's almost i…

Anyone with such a cynical attitude like yours is inevitably doomed to failure. I’m not picking on you, specifically, just pointing out why these powers can hold such a firm grasp. Hope is really scarce these days.

Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

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I wouldn't be so quick to point the finger at Putin or a government conspiracy personally. There are a lot of powerful billionaires in Russia who exist thanks to Putin and it seems plausible that one of them, given their vested interest in keeping their patron in charge, might have poisoned the man.

If it had been a one-off assassination attempt, maybe.
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