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How can epic develop the engine if they are banned form using Apple development tools.
They aren't banned from using Apple's development tools.
They were going to be.
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Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store
#402If Apple wanted (and they probably are doing it) they could heavily delay the approval of any apps that make use of an engine they seem "risky"... Effectively increasing the costs of those developers using "rogue" engines.
Of course the "risk" is primarily to Apple's own business interests - competition with Apple's own apps and services.
Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store
#403Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, you just look at the PC ecosystem and you can see the nightmare. Like others,I prefer Apple to have a tightly controlled App Store and believe that the benefits far outweigh the ability to install software from a 3rd party App Store. For example, Apple requiring Sign In with Apple (when signin with Google/Facebook are implemented) where you can hide your email address. That’s not possible with multiple app stor…
I do not see a nightmare, that is the thing - why do you see one? What you describe is possible with multiple app stores and allowing 3rd party apps - you just do not use those other stores and apps. Nobody is forcing you to use a 3rd party app store, but Apple is forcing everyone to go through their store. You can keep your tightly controlled experience by not using anything else than Apple - but that doesn't mean e…
>I do not see a nightmare, that is the thing - why do you see one?
There's a $20 billion/year cryptlocker industry that excludes iPhones thanks to the difference.
Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store
#404I still wonder why so many people buy devices, where the only software you could run has to be approved by the manufacturer. I think we should speak more about this fact, so that people think twice before they buy some device. I only make websites, but I am worried, that at some point, Apple would want me to pay them, so that my website is openable on their devices.
Because it does not matter to the vast majority of people. In fact many appreciate that there is a gate keeper. There are so many categories where you cannot load software outside of what the manufacturer provides that you cannot list them. It would also be impractical to allow otherwise for many of these. Then you end up with warranty issues. Would you allow people to load software of their choice for their automobi…
> In fact many appreciate that there is a gate keeper.
People also want to pay no taxes until the police doesn't show up when somebody breaks into their home. Same with health insurance.
Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store
#405Earlier quoted context omitted.
B/c in that case Apple would be doing what the haters erroneously claim they do now: making 100% arbitrary/capricious decisions when it comes to the App Store walled garden. As those of us who target iOS know, they're not transparent, but it's not arbitrary. Thank god. We'd never hear the end of unsolicited opinions about the Touch Bar and HN's annual subscription to the year of desktop Linux.
How would you know that they are not arbitrary if they are transparent?
I think you meant “are NOT transparent”.
You can see their calculating ways if you look carefully —can’t have too many fart apps you know, too many fart apps are bad for the user. Nevermind if you have the best fart app ever —you can’t even load it on your friends’ phones or show it to the guy deciding whether or not to give you a scholarship because, you know, a prick in Cupertino who has his own reality that’s pretty far removed from the rest if the world thinks that too many fart apps are an unpleasant experience for all one billion potential fart app users.
Yea silly, but the type of app doesn’t matter when considering questions of “arbitrary” consideration.
Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store
#406I find a lot of the comments here split down “I want app regulation because I feel it provides a layer of safety and safety is good for the consumer” vs “I want more freedom and choice because choice is good and is better for the consumer”. Which brings to mind two things This sounds similar to the current brouhaha happening in the US over America’s inclination towards personal freedom at all cost even when govt regu…
Part of the problem is that Apple makes a number of choices in its approval process that are either 1. arbitrary, 2. preferential, or 3. actively counterproductive to security/privacy. And when asked about it, they lie in front of Congress. So perhaps this would be less of an issue if they didn't do that?
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They probably should have thought about that before they purposely violated their developer agreements...
One might say you have the duty to violate illegal developer agreements.
Others might say that they're not illegal and/or that you have a duty not to enter into them in the first place.
Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store
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One might say you have the duty to violate illegal developer agreements.
Others might say that they're not illegal and/or that you have a duty not to enter into them in the first place.
> they're not illegal
We'll see! Until then, revoking certificates is retaliation.
> you have a duty not to enter into them in the first place
This isn't how contract law works.
Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store
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The parent was complaining about Apple being a filter on the apps that users can install on their phones. But that type of restriction is basically the industry norm.
What industry? Because I don't see gaming consoles being part of the same industry as smartphones.
They're all "app stores" that block alternative sources.
All of them distribute games and entertainment apps (music, video, etc). Sony has also distributed apps not related to entertainment, e.g. folding@home.
Saying a console != a smartphone doesn't help discussion when what we're discussing is walled gardens here.