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How China’s Expanding Fishing Fleet Is Depleting the World’s Oceans

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Post by fakeslimshady »

warmcat wrote: post #49

As long as Chinese government exists, there will be no world peace and no sustainable approach to anything. The few people in power in the Chinese government will always incite their masses and cause destruction by pitting us vs them.

> incite their masses and cause destruction by pitting us vs them.

So unlike Trumps white house. Given the timing of release of report I wouldn't put it beyond election FUD operations under the guise of some credible report.

[keep it coming racists. November is coming]

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Post by searchableguy »

snarf21 wrote: post #100
geddy wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What we need is to stop consuming animals and animal products, or we’ll keep having economy destroying pandemics. Not to mention the obvious problem that farming is horrendous for the animals. Animals aren’t some inanimate object.

The more these discussions progress, the more I wonder if there is really only one solution. We need less people. Trying to convince 8 billion people to do something like never eat meat or fish seems like an impossible goal. We need to raise the standard of living in countries that reproduction rates > 2. We could also remove tax breaks for kids after the second in developed countries to mitigate the incentives for e…

It's probably not sustainable. If everyone start consuming at the same rate as an average person from a developed country, world would run out of resources in no time.

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Post by BurningFrog »

dathinab wrote: post #80
BurningFrog wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was Chinese government policy for decades. It caused immense human suffering. https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/120114/under... Personally, I think people are an asset, not a burden, and the greatest things in the world! That's right, I mean you , dear reader. Straighten that back!

It caused harn because it was stupidly implemented not because it's generally bad. But btw. many western countries have a shrinking population since years to a degree where that's an problem. But this also means that the countries which have to take (reasonable) actions include many contribute which often can't afford more reasonable actions :/

What is a non stupid child ban policy you support that doesn't cause harm?

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Post by MiroF »

bhupy wrote: post #99
oblio wrote: post #2

We badly need some sort of industrial fish farming at a large scale. Oceanic fishing at this point is basically like hunting gathering at an industrial scale: we just catch whatever we can and who cares if it grows back, not our problem, "nature" will take care of it. The same way we seed, till, etc., we should be doing the same thing with oceans and "hunting" aka fishing should only be allowed as a hobby. In a somew…

It's a good example of the Tragedy of the Commons. We mostly solved that problem on land, and even ended up with industrial farming by allowing people to own pieces of land to run their own farming operations. Would be nice to be able to replace off-shore oil rigs with off-shore fishing farms that sell the produce directly to retail markets. Might even be able to run aquatic "farm to table" restaurants!

> Would be nice to be able to replace off-shore oil rigs with off-shore fishing farms that sell the produce directly to retail markets. Might even be able to run aquatic "farm to table" restaurants!

There's definitely at least an order magnitude more offshore aquaculture farms than there are oil-rigs currently.

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Post by readarticle »

mymythisisthis wrote: post #85

In the year 1289, King Philip IV of France was worried about fish. “Each and every watershed of our realm,” he proclaimed, “large and small, yields nothing due to the evil of fishers.” https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/05/medieval... I've already witnessed the collapse of fishing in the oceans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_Atlantic_north...

And you’re currently witnessing the recovery of the Atlantic northwest cod fishery to historical, sustainable levels by 2030.

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Post by crucio »

momokoko wrote: post #33
oblio wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need to be realistic. Reeducating several billion people from something very addictive, culturally engrained and with no direct negative effects for consumers is almost impossible.

Global pandemics are not direct negative impacts? We have several documented(h1n1 etc) significant loss of life events due to animal agriculture. No more silent downvoting. People are dying and will continue to die as these continue to happen until grown adults get some self discipline and stop eating meat.

Typical response of HN to downvote comments like the parents, just because it's doesn't suit their own lifestyle.

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Post by rrrrrrrrrrrr »

libertine wrote: post #94
evancox100 wrote: post #17

Anyone else catch this? First: “The Chinese government says its distant-water fishing fleet, or those vessels that travel far from China’s coast, numbers roughly 2,600, but other research, such as this study by the Overseas Development Institute (ODI), puts this number closer to 17,000”. Several paragraphs later: “More recently, the Chinese government has stopped calling for an expansion of its distant-water fishing…

>Why would you need to announce a plan to reduce your fleet to below 3,000 if it’s only “officially“ at 2,700? Is this a case of inconsistent propaganda? That's the thing about lies. At first glance is the perfect solution, you simply lie and the problem goes away. The tricky part is when the lies start you add up and you need to keep track of it, and/or when the lie is easily observable. I think this is a bit of bot…

We don't even know if the above comment's observation is accurate or not.

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Post by simonsarris »

jnathsf wrote: post #88
noworriesnate wrote: post #82

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You need supplements to grow healthily as a vegetarian. For example, it's difficult to get Omega 3, 6 and 9 from plants. You need supplements for that. Also you've only been vegetarian a year. Being a vegetarian from birth to death without supplements would be much more difficult to do without major deficiencies. Also vegetarians today have the option of buying food from all over the world, but that wasn't the case f…

You only need to look at cultures like in India, Taiwan and elsewhere that have large vegetarian population to see that your statement doesn’t hold water.

The myth of the Indian vegetarian nation

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-43581122

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Post by searchableguy »

jnathsf wrote: post #88
noworriesnate wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need supplements to grow healthily as a vegetarian. For example, it's difficult to get Omega 3, 6 and 9 from plants. You need supplements for that. Also you've only been vegetarian a year. Being a vegetarian from birth to death without supplements would be much more difficult to do without major deficiencies. Also vegetarians today have the option of buying food from all over the world, but that wasn't the case f…

You only need to look at cultures like in India, Taiwan and elsewhere that have large vegetarian population to see that your statement doesn’t hold water.

You shouldn't point toward us as an example.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6540890

https://m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/malnutr...

Guess where do you get folic acid, b12, etc from?

As a side note, OTC supplements are not as effective. You need prescription supplements if anyone is considering going vegetarian.

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Post by La1n »

philg_jr wrote: post #104
pjc50 wrote: post #81

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Fish farming is a disease disaster that can harm wild populations. This gets discussed a lot in relation to Scottish Salmon, for example.

Salmon is general is a bad fish to farm because it consumes more protein than it produces. There are better fish (in terms of sustainability) that can be famred, and proper regulations (which the US has, compared to other countries) exist to help. In general, I don't believe the US is the problem with overfishing or polution problems caused by fish farming, compared to other countries who don't have or want the abili…

>Salmon is general is a bad fish to farm because it consumes more protein than it produces.

That counts for all animals, no?

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