How China’s Expanding Fishing Fleet Is Depleting the World’s Oceans

Post by [deleted] » Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 1:16 PM UTC

axaxs wrote: post #27

geddy wrote: post #22

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Great, meat SHOULD cost a fortune. The actual cost of meat is not what you pay for it, the only reason it’s even affordable is because the taxpayer shoulders the burden of the farm subsidies. Cut those out and a $5 Big Mac would cost almost $15. Add to that the environmental impact, insane water usage, and the fact that meat production will continue to destroy economies through pandemics, and it should cost 10-15x mo…

I don't have the numbers in front of me, but this doesn't seem like it could be true. My Dad always raised cattle as a pastime, just a handful, one for meat and sold the rest. Never subsidized, and he usually broke just about even. A big mac has a fifth pound of beef. $75 a pound for ground beef? He'd buy hundreds. So would I, and everyone else. Why bother cutting out steaks, just grind the whole thing down. So I'm c…

Post by momokoko » Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 1:18 PM UTC

oblio wrote: post #26

geddy wrote: post #23

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What we need is to stop consuming animals and animal products, or we’ll keep having economy destroying pandemics. Not to mention the obvious problem that farming is horrendous for the animals. Animals aren’t some inanimate object.

We need to be realistic. Reeducating several billion people from something very addictive, culturally engrained and with no direct negative effects for consumers is almost impossible.

Post by globuous » Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 1:24 PM UTC

usrusr wrote: post #9

oblio wrote: post #2

We badly need some sort of industrial fish farming at a large scale. Oceanic fishing at this point is basically like hunting gathering at an industrial scale: we just catch whatever we can and who cares if it grows back, not our problem, "nature" will take care of it. The same way we seed, till, etc., we should be doing the same thing with oceans and "hunting" aka fishing should only be allowed as a hobby. In a somew…

(Salt water) fish farming is still hunting on an industrial scale because the farmed fish are mostly carnivorous and are fed with feed derived to a large part from hunted fish. It's mostly a tool to strip the oceans even harder (with fish farms converting undesirable catch into species people like to eat, everything becomes a target)

Post by gruez » Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 1:25 PM UTC

kingkawn wrote: post #28

rich_sasha wrote: post #10

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Centrally planned economies don’t really factor such things in. Extract one resource at a loss to “book” a gain elsewhere. So they probably think net they are profiting from this. But then, centrally planned economies are not efficient at decision-making...

That is exactly how it works over in our “unplanned” economies too

Post by deelowe » Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 1:27 PM UTC

momokoko wrote: post #33

oblio wrote: post #26

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We need to be realistic. Reeducating several billion people from something very addictive, culturally engrained and with no direct negative effects for consumers is almost impossible.

Global pandemics are not direct negative impacts? We have several documented(h1n1 etc) significant loss of life events due to animal agriculture. No more silent downvoting. People are dying and will continue to die as these continue to happen until grown adults get some self discipline and stop eating meat.