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How China’s Expanding Fishing Fleet Is Depleting the World’s Oceans

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Re: How China’s Expanding Fishing Fleet Is Depleting the World’s Oceans

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Don't forget behind China, you got India, SEA, the rest of Africa which will experience a population boom this century. How we going to feed all these people when their living standards go up? We need to get to mars fast.

Despite the growing population, we collectively have and will have enough resources to feed everyone on earth.

The major problem is skewed consumption and wastage due to structural poverty. That should be our focus, rather than expanding to another planet.

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We need less people in the world. Our only hope to avoid mass human suffering is that as more women get educated and independent they reduce the number of children they’ll conceive to 1 or 2.

The world is moving towards a shrinking population, but it takes time for it to take effect: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/17/worlds-popu...

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We badly need some sort of industrial fish farming at a large scale. Oceanic fishing at this point is basically like hunting gathering at an industrial scale: we just catch whatever we can and who cares if it grows back, not our problem, "nature" will take care of it. The same way we seed, till, etc., we should be doing the same thing with oceans and "hunting" aka fishing should only be allowed as a hobby. In a somew…

> We badly need some sort of industrial fish farming at a large scale. Even if we invented it, PRC would most likely not use it. > In a somewhat "positive" side effect of what they're doing, traditional Chinese medicine will probably go extinct together will all the fish and animal species they will wipe off the face of the Earth... Unfortunately, this probably only happens when everything more exotic than common far…

> Even if we invented it, PRC would most likely not use it.

Something like 2/3 of the world's industrial fish farming happens in China.

Re: How China’s Expanding Fishing Fleet Is Depleting the World’s Oceans

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Anyone else catch this? First: “The Chinese government says its distant-water fishing fleet, or those vessels that travel far from China’s coast, numbers roughly 2,600, but other research, such as this study by the Overseas Development Institute (ODI), puts this number closer to 17,000”. Several paragraphs later: “More recently, the Chinese government has stopped calling for an expansion of its distant-water fishing…

There's no source for either of those claims though.

Furthermore, it says restrict to under 3000, while you have changed it to reduce.

Re: How China’s Expanding Fishing Fleet Is Depleting the World’s Oceans

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We badly need some sort of industrial fish farming at a large scale. Oceanic fishing at this point is basically like hunting gathering at an industrial scale: we just catch whatever we can and who cares if it grows back, not our problem, "nature" will take care of it. The same way we seed, till, etc., we should be doing the same thing with oceans and "hunting" aka fishing should only be allowed as a hobby. In a somew…

What we need is to stop consuming animals and animal products, or we’ll keep having economy destroying pandemics. Not to mention the obvious problem that farming is horrendous for the animals. Animals aren’t some inanimate object.

For most Asians and especially the Chinese, animals are just objects. Doesn't matter if you think about mammals skinned alive in some Chinese markets, turtles having their feet chopped off or Huskys locked into a 1-bedroom apartment for their entire life.

Asians mostly do not give a single damn about animal well-being. That's a uniquely Western thing.

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We need less people in the world. Our only hope to avoid mass human suffering is that as more women get educated and independent they reduce the number of children they’ll conceive to 1 or 2.

> 1 or 2

This is already the case in most of the world, including many developing countries.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What we need is to stop consuming animals and animal products, or we’ll keep having economy destroying pandemics. Not to mention the obvious problem that farming is horrendous for the animals. Animals aren’t some inanimate object.

And we're not some magical creature free from biological needs. Eating other animals is what got us here. Until we can print actual, chemically identical meat on a conveyor belt, our reliance on animals will continue.

This is always said but it's just not true. Unless you kill the animal yourself you shouldn't eat it. Doing so makes you a coward.

Re: How China’s Expanding Fishing Fleet Is Depleting the World’s Oceans

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We need less people in the world. Our only hope to avoid mass human suffering is that as more women get educated and independent they reduce the number of children they’ll conceive to 1 or 2.

Is the number of people the problem or is extreme consumption and waste, particular at the top, the issue?

Re: How China’s Expanding Fishing Fleet Is Depleting the World’s Oceans

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We need less people in the world. Our only hope to avoid mass human suffering is that as more women get educated and independent they reduce the number of children they’ll conceive to 1 or 2.

This was Chinese government policy for decades. It caused immense human suffering.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/120114/under...

Personally, I think people are an asset, not a burden, and the greatest things in the world! That's right, I mean you, dear reader. Straighten that back!

Re: How China’s Expanding Fishing Fleet Is Depleting the World’s Oceans

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post #49

As long as Chinese government exists, there will be no world peace and no sustainable approach to anything. The few people in power in the Chinese government will always incite their masses and cause destruction by pitting us vs them.

This statement can be used to describe so many countries, it’s odd you’re just saying it about the Chinese govt.
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