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Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by radium3d »

keenmaster wrote: post #52

Are there any cybersecurity professionals on here who want to comment about the pros and cons of the network? I don't have the necessary expertise to ascertain the merits of it (actual threat vs. mitigated threat) but I don't like the "clean" verbiage. Nor do I like China's own longstanding protectionism and Great Firewall.

I can think of a couple,

1) There are too many in/out points and encrypted paths in and out of the network to actually make this worth spending time on. Think of walling off the entire country, yet there is still air above the wall, movable earth below the wall.

2) It creates a false sense of security if you're on the "clean network" and may make some developers less considerate of securing apps, websites, etc, and some consumers of questioning the security and privacy of the apps they install. I.e. it weakens those within the "clean" firewall.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by kfrzcode »

theossuary wrote: post #235
kfrzcode wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hot take! Interested in helping improve the state of things? Plenty of jobs available with the USDS and various departments from Forestry to HHS!

Who would take a job anywhere with that type of leadership though?

Tens of thousands of non-partisans who are motivated to improve the technical infrastructure of the government.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by solstice »

mthoms wrote: post #217
supernova87a wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would a hardware vulnerability on router equipment handling traffic compromise data flowing over that router which has already been encrypted properly at the source/destination?

I'm no HW guy but when "activated", could it not brick itself? Or, only transmit packets passing to/from certain IP addresses?

That doesn't sound useful or very sophisticated from a spying POV. I guess mass-shutdown of Telco infrastructure would be catastrophic but that could most likely be avoided by having a mix of suppliers and a minimum of known-good hardware in the field.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by [deleted] »

dannyw wrote: post #145
ISL wrote: post #80

I have the same feeling about this as I did the announcement of the "Department of Homeland Security". The name sounded Soviet in origin, with only the exchange of "Homeland" in place of "Motherland". It reminded me of things my family had taught me didn't happen in the United States. "We call on all freedom-loving nations and companies to join the Clean Network." is a sentence straight out of an authoritarian playbo…

The Chinese has shown no interest in co-operating with the world. They are an enemy. What’s wrong with keeping them out of our internet when they have their own? To put it another way; this is like allowing your enemy to design and manfacture your military jets.

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Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by mabbo »

legulere wrote: post #172

> Huawei, an arm of the PRC surveillance state, is trading on the innovations and reputations of leading U.S. and foreign companies. These companies should remove their apps from Huawei’s app store to ensure they are not partnering with a human rights abuser. So should European Companies also pull apps from Google and Apple? I‘m all for standing up against the horrible human rights abuses of China, but it sounds unbe…

> except maybe ... Canada

Relations aren't great right now. Just last week Trump began yet another trade war with Canada. I don't really see Canada taking part in this.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by elliekelly »

theossuary wrote: post #235
kfrzcode wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hot take! Interested in helping improve the state of things? Plenty of jobs available with the USDS and various departments from Forestry to HHS!

Who would take a job anywhere with that type of leadership though?

Every interaction I’ve had with someone from USDS has been top-notch. I obviously can’t speak to the politics that may happen amongst the higher ups behind the scenes but the people they’re recruiting are excellent.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by bmitc »

> We call on all freedom-loving nations and companies to join the Clean Network.

This makes me physically sick. The only freedom you have in the U.S. is being poor, controlled, and oh yea, you can Tweet whatever you want. While the U.S., both citizens and the government, have pointed fingers at Russia, China, and , we've been under the assault of propaganda and control for decades, at increasing rates, all under the guise of so-called freedom and democracy. Instead of propelling us into the future, our government has dragged its feet to pull us back all in the name of pure greed and control, giving itself and corporations near limitless power by sacrificing the common people.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by Funes- »

cardamomo wrote: post #220
sukilot wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"dirty" isn't a racialized work like "chink". It's a word applied to anything we don't like and want to keep out. China already has a similar system also called (the Chinese word for) "Clean". Is the Chinese government racist against Chinese?

Please don't use that racial slur. The article I linked above shows ways in which "dirty" was used as a racialized term in the 20th century in the U.S.

>Please don't use that racial slur.

He's using it metalinguistically, for God's sake.

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