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Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by 52-6F-62 » Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 5:13 PM UTC

clevergadget wrote: post #24

consultutah wrote: post #3

It looks like we are breaking the internet up along the lines of political boundaries. The US will have one internet, the EU another, China yet another... Hopefully the pendulum will swing back in the other direction soon...

it swings back when we invent new protocols - which is to say it never swings back. From traditional publishing to radio to tv to the internet to gentrification once the bastards get control you gotta make the next thing.

This isn't just protocols, though.

At least to me it sounds like an announcement that they plan to "cut the lines" to countries that don't adhere to the standards of the current American administration.

A new protocol won't allow you to communicate with people in the United States if you're on a "blacklisted" comms company's network.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by waihtis » Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 5:14 PM UTC

Kapura wrote: post #62

This is disgusting. Anybody working at an American firm that's supporting this initiative should be ashamed. Anybody working on this project is actively contributing to the destruction of international trust and cooperation. I am beyond disgusted at my government. This Republican administration has been an unprecedented disaster on every front.

Why do you think it's 'disgusting'?

edit: in case someone was confused, talking about the initiative, not the government in general

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 5:14 PM UTC

kayson wrote: post #16

Has anyone published the evidence of Huawei being an "arm of the PRC surveillance state"? I've seen a lot of claims and a lot of out-of-court-settled lawsuits, but nothing really showing that they're using their devices or software infrastructure for surveillance.

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Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by evan_ » Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 5:14 PM UTC

typon wrote: post #58

x3n0ph3n3 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China already has their own internet.

The whole point is for the US to be a leader, not a follower. If China wants their own internet, let them suffer.

in fact the best thing to do to fight the Great Firewall of China is to make it easier for the Chinese people to access the internet-at-large including sites hosted in the US. This program will do the opposite.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by alyoshaK » Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 5:14 PM UTC

Kapura wrote: post #62

This is disgusting. Anybody working at an American firm that's supporting this initiative should be ashamed. Anybody working on this project is actively contributing to the destruction of international trust and cooperation. I am beyond disgusted at my government. This Republican administration has been an unprecedented disaster on every front.

I would hardly evoke shame on a 9 to 5 worker at a telecommunications corporation for the political decisions made by a CEO or board of directors...

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by TehCorwiz » Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 5:15 PM UTC

dekhn wrote: post #57

zrail wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The key this year is to _personally drop off your ballot_ at an official drop point rather than mailing it in. USPS can and will deprioritize mail in ballots for the fall elections.

This is an unsupported assertion. We have no specific data to suggest that this would happen.

I mean, I know that with less than 90 days before one of the largest absentee voting elections in the history of the nation that I would fire 23 USPS administrators on a Friday evening several days after admitting to congress to slowing down mail delivery. That seems reasonable. Right?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielcassady/2020/08/06/postma...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/08/07/postal-se...

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 » Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 5:15 PM UTC

I am surprised it did not make bigger news. I am genuinely annoyed that US, of all places, is contributing to the splintering of the internet as we knew it.

But what surprises me more people are not up in arms about it. I mean, who would not love only government approved code floating around and only child appropriate messages being visible before 10PM.

If there is a real reason to dislike this administration, this is it.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by detaro » Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 5:17 PM UTC

dominotw wrote: post #51

cmckn wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully, none of this will be implemented and we can all forget Mike Pompeo exists in 6 months.

how will Chinese internet "swing back" if Pompeo stops existing. Chinese invented their great firewall for trump, that your logic?

It won't, but it's already not part of what we typically consider "the internet". One country pretty much always being isolated from it is somewhat different than further ripping the currently-connected bits apart.

> Chinese invented their great firewall for trump, that your logic?

That's a completely needless swipe.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by ajkjk » Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 5:17 PM UTC

Kapura wrote: post #62

This is disgusting. Anybody working at an American firm that's supporting this initiative should be ashamed. Anybody working on this project is actively contributing to the destruction of international trust and cooperation. I am beyond disgusted at my government. This Republican administration has been an unprecedented disaster on every front.

Could you explain why?

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by ISL » Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 5:18 PM UTC

I have the same feeling about this as I did the announcement of the "Department of Homeland Security". The name sounded Soviet in origin, with only the exchange of "Homeland" in place of "Motherland". It reminded me of things my family had taught me didn't happen in the United States.

"We call on all freedom-loving nations and companies to join the Clean Network." is a sentence straight out of an authoritarian playbook. Top-down imposition of standards is not what made America's melting pot great. Free and open discourse, with redundant structures designed to ensure that governance required the consent of the governed, did.

Furthermore, State is a decade or more behind the game. It is my impression that modern companies that care about security assume that all networks are compromised and act accordingly. See https://cloud.google.com/beyondcorp as an example.

Balkanizing the Internet will not make us free; we will instead tie our own hands. This is not the same as banning the import of presumed-compromised hardware.

Vote.