The Clean Network – United States Department of State

Post by remus » Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 9:37 PM UTC

zepto wrote: post #199

pulse7 wrote: post #189

So the country whose national security and intelligence agencies have gathered the largest database of sensitive information in the world is proposing to "safeguard sensitive information from aggressive intrusions by malign actors"... If U.S. is some kind of role model / example for other countries to follow (in terms of freedoms, democracy, prosperity, etc) then other countries will also gather sensitive information…

We actually don’t know that the US has gathered the largest database of sensitive information. Only that it used to gather a lot before Snowden.

Post by m0llusk » Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 9:39 PM UTC

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #108

ISL wrote: post #80

I have the same feeling about this as I did the announcement of the "Department of Homeland Security". The name sounded Soviet in origin, with only the exchange of "Homeland" in place of "Motherland". It reminded me of things my family had taught me didn't happen in the United States. "We call on all freedom-loving nations and companies to join the Clean Network." is a sentence straight out of an authoritarian playbo…

Yes. It is ridiculous how closely the language sounds to that of a dictatorial regime. The language is just so.. cringy. When I first read, I genuinely could not believe it was not onion or some weird caricature.

Post by pulse7 » Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 9:41 PM UTC

zepto wrote: post #199

pulse7 wrote: post #189

So the country whose national security and intelligence agencies have gathered the largest database of sensitive information in the world is proposing to "safeguard sensitive information from aggressive intrusions by malign actors"... If U.S. is some kind of role model / example for other countries to follow (in terms of freedoms, democracy, prosperity, etc) then other countries will also gather sensitive information…

We actually don’t know that the US has gathered the largest database of sensitive information. Only that it used to gather a lot before Snowden.

Post by supernova87a » Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 9:43 PM UTC

monoideism wrote: post #194

supernova87a wrote: post #110

This really comes off as a hastily prepared political dig against China, when there are in addition so many other actors and countries trying to take advantage of poor security. The JPEGed giant logo at the top doesn't help... Other observations: -- "Remove untrusted applications from US mobile app stores": so, this would call for even tighter control by Apple, Google, over its app distribution and monopolies? -- Cle…

> What unusual attack do they get access to by owning or manufacturing the equipment? It is incredibly easy to add almost undetectable backdoors to hardware, particularly inside ICs. Here's one particularly clever attack described by security researchers at U of Michigan, but there are many: https://www.wired.com/2016/06/demonically-clever-backdoor-hi...

Post by reaperducer » Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 9:43 PM UTC

apazzolini wrote: post #132

supernova87a wrote: post #110

This really comes off as a hastily prepared political dig against China, when there are in addition so many other actors and countries trying to take advantage of poor security. The JPEGed giant logo at the top doesn't help... Other observations: -- "Remove untrusted applications from US mobile app stores": so, this would call for even tighter control by Apple, Google, over its app distribution and monopolies? -- Cle…

> The JPEGed giant logo It's almost like they ran it through jpegify.me on purpose as a joke, but really it's just another sign of the US's government technical incompetence.