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Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by mulmen »

24gttghh wrote: post #140
zrail wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The key this year is to _personally drop off your ballot_ at an official drop point rather than mailing it in. USPS can and will deprioritize mail in ballots for the fall elections.

I do this anyways. Why would I pay postage to have something brought to a distribution center 20 miles away, wait a few days, then brought back to my town to get delivered to town hall when I can literally walk there and drop it off for free?

In my state all voting is by mail. The postage is pre paid but you can drop off your ballot if you wish.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by legulere »

> Huawei, an arm of the PRC surveillance state, is trading on the innovations and reputations of leading U.S. and foreign companies. These companies should remove their apps from Huawei’s app store to ensure they are not partnering with a human rights abuser.

So should European Companies also pull apps from Google and Apple?

I‘m all for standing up against the horrible human rights abuses of China, but it sounds unbelievably hollow from the US, which has a track record of putting their own interest before democracy and human rights abroad.

The whole website is pitched for other countries to join in, but I really don’t see that happening except maybe the UK and Canada.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by cardamomo »

If you're not already familiar with the history of labeling immigrants (particularly non-European immigrants) as unclean or dirty, I'd urge you to read up. This article seems to be a good start: https://journals.openedition.org/transtexts/1011

In short, calling this a "clean" network continues a long history of racist and xenophobic language in the U.S.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #25

Vote.org Make sure you're registered, and make sure you vote in November.

What would possible make you think Biden would change course on this? Neither party likes China and the whole idea that a new administration is going to roll back a hardline policy vs them is crazy.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by munificent »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #108
ISL wrote: post #80

I have the same feeling about this as I did the announcement of the "Department of Homeland Security". The name sounded Soviet in origin, with only the exchange of "Homeland" in place of "Motherland". It reminded me of things my family had taught me didn't happen in the United States. "We call on all freedom-loving nations and companies to join the Clean Network." is a sentence straight out of an authoritarian playbo…

Yes. It is ridiculous how closely the language sounds to that of a dictatorial regime. The language is just so.. cringy. When I first read, I genuinely could not believe it was not onion or some weird caricature.

This document looks like a prop from Starship Troopers or Robocop.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by munificent »

sjs382 wrote: post #148
apazzolini wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The JPEGed giant logo It's almost like they ran it through jpegify.me on purpose as a joke, but really it's just another sign of the US's government technical incompetence.

The site uses WordPress and the post author decided to include a thumbnail, scaled up to regular size, rather than using the original: https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/CleanNetwor...

Jesus fucking Christ. I remember when the US government wasn't a complete laughingstock.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by munificent »

clevergadget wrote: post #24
consultutah wrote: post #3

It looks like we are breaking the internet up along the lines of political boundaries. The US will have one internet, the EU another, China yet another... Hopefully the pendulum will swing back in the other direction soon...

it swings back when we invent new protocols - which is to say it never swings back. From traditional publishing to radio to tv to the internet to gentrification once the bastards get control you gotta make the next thing.

Power naturally consolidates. If you have a little more power than the next person, the first thing you do is use it to get a little more power. Let that feedback loop run for several thousand iterations and you end up with the massive inequality that has been a hallmark of human civilization since the agricultural revolution.

The only force I know of that has been able to moderate that feedback loop is organization. By very definition, what the elite few who consolidate power don't have is numbers. They are massively outnumbered, which is why they are constantly sowing discord (like fomenting racism). Because they know the only thing keeping them in power is the disorganization of the masses.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by thesuitonym »

intotheabyss wrote: post #126
clevergadget wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it swings back when we invent new protocols - which is to say it never swings back. From traditional publishing to radio to tv to the internet to gentrification once the bastards get control you gotta make the next thing.

There are new protocols being invented; namely the decentralized web protocols (IPFS, web3, dat (Breaker), etc. ). Whether you think cryptocurrencies are useful or not, there is a push to build a new open decentralized internet using these protocols and IPFS + ENS domains and the web3 protocol stack on Ethereum.

Your encrypted and decentralized protocols mean nothing if there is no hardware route.
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