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Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Re: Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Post by coreblocks »

londons_explore wrote: post #147
mytailorisrich wrote: post #58

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This ban does not help Taiwanese businesses. Quite the opposite.

I'm sure they were given a decent financial incentive to go along with this ban. Taiwan is an ally after all, if you annoy their companies with far overreaching targeted international rules, and don't compensate them, there are going to be political costs. I would guess the new TSMC facility in the US is part of this compensation - they'll probably be receiving very favourable tax treatment for everything manufacture…

Well the reason TSMC gave up Huawei so easily was because they knew they would have no trouble filling orders from AMD, NVIDIA, Xilinx and now Intel apparently.

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Post by coreblocks »

mschuster91 wrote: post #27
Mindwipe wrote: post #11

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I think the more worrying thing is what happens to the West if, when it has built it's own fab capacity (which is much easier said than done, but China will throw enormous resource at it because it has to), China decides to destabilise Taiwan's semiconductor industry. Western nations would be smart to try and decentralise some of that production capacity (also easier said than done) before that could come to be, but…

> Western nations would be smart to try and decentralise some of that production capacity (also easier said than done) before that could come to be, but does anyone think the Western nations current or foreseeable leadership really have the strategic foresight to do so? TSMC actually plans to set up shop in Arizona: https://www.tsmc.com/tsmcdotcom/PRListingNewsArchivesAction....

Honestly I think it’s just for show. There was a deal with Foxconn to set up shop in the US, but that never materialised either.

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Post by robert_foss »

Nursie wrote: post #116
robert_foss wrote: post #10

This is a clear loss for consumers world wide. The Kirin SOCs were competitive with Qualcomm, and now they practically have a monopoly again.

Has Samsung given up on exynos? There's also Apple doing high performance ARM, but only for their own stuff.

I think they stopped making their own CPU cores for their SOCs, but they still develop the Exynos SOC.

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Post by xenospn »

contravert wrote: post #138
xenospn wrote: post #137

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Bingo. That’s exactly why I don’t see China surpassing the US or the west anytime soon. They can clone Tesla or Apple as much as they want - but nothing truly groundbreaking will happen, since they have been “inspired” by the west for so long.

This racist superiority complex is the pride before the fall. What exactly is TikTok's recommendation algorithms or Huawei's 5G technology cloning?

How is that racist? I’m talking specifically about the cultural aspects of growing up in China.

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Post by xenospn »

aww_dang wrote: post #156
b112 wrote: post #155

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There is nothing wrong with being culturalist, to be so is absolutely not racist. A black, white, etc orphan child raised in communist China, would grow up in the same culture, with the same beliefs. Those that decry 'racist', when one complains about China are indeed the true racists, for they think culture and race = the same thing.

They take it a step further by conflating the CCP with Chinese people, Chinese culture and the Chinese nation. This is a tactic I frequently see where proponents of the CCP seek to call any criticism or skepticism racist.

As an Israeli who is not very supportive of the Israeli government, I am very well familiar with this tactic.

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Post by dade_ »

alfiedotwtf wrote: post #47
dade_ wrote: post #32

Either the PRC has overplayed their hand, or they are up to something. 2020 still has nearly 5 months to deliver more gifts.

If you think the Trump administration has out-thought China, you need to re-read this sentence.

If you thing the US is the only other country on this planet, you need to recheck your atlas.

Also: https://www.theepochtimes.com/chinas-neighbors-in-the-indo-p...

Re: Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Post by dang »

b112 wrote: post #121
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #88

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Related: China can finally manufacture ballpoint pens. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-38566114

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Post by molszanski »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #75
molszanski wrote: post #46

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Hmm. Where can learn more about this deterrence measure?

If you expect a map with locations marked X, well good luck. This is just a long-standing rumor, as these things are obviously kept secret, but the fact that both west-germany and switzerland did this (we actually have hard evidence) to stop advancing soviet forces in the event of war makes this very credible.

I don't expect any form of hard proof. I am curious about the subject and looking forward to any reading or viewing material

Re: Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

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Post by mike_hearn »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #65
vxNsr wrote: post #63

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This is obviously false on its face. China would have invaded Taiwan from the get for if not for the US. And blaming china’s self defense fears on their building up the military is just communist apologist nonsense

Based on what sources do you make your claims, and what makes you so sure Mahbubani is wrong? Also, regarding "communist"... they're not really communist, haven't been for a long time now. 80% of the businesses in China are privately owned, and people have private property. Though socialist elements still exist; my wife's grandparents recently received new houses from the government, as reimbursement for tearing down…

Hello FBW :)

Chinese Civilization Party might be over-doing it a bit, don't you think? Unless you use a circular definition that Chinese civilization is whatever the CCP says it is. Normally the meaning of civilization is defined by the people in it, rather than via edict.

The notion of state ownership vs private property is indeed more capitalist, as long as it's actually meaningful. For private property to mean something, it must mean that the government can't or won't override your choices about how that property is to be used. In China there's a lot of private businesses and private property, but the government is still very willing to control the details of how that property is used, for example, by insisting that party members are installed in powerful positions when the company becomes important, or restrictive capital controls, or requiring a wide variety of licenses to do business. The control is still there, it's just done via different bureaucratic means than "state ownership". For instance a company won't remain your private property for long if you criticise the government, or allow other people to criticise the government. It's a rather weak notion of private property.

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Post by FooBarWidget »

mike_hearn wrote: post #169
FooBarWidget wrote: post #65

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Based on what sources do you make your claims, and what makes you so sure Mahbubani is wrong? Also, regarding "communist"... they're not really communist, haven't been for a long time now. 80% of the businesses in China are privately owned, and people have private property. Though socialist elements still exist; my wife's grandparents recently received new houses from the government, as reimbursement for tearing down…

Hello FBW :) Chinese Civilization Party might be over-doing it a bit, don't you think? Unless you use a circular definition that Chinese civilization is whatever the CCP says it is. Normally the meaning of civilization is defined by the people in it, rather than via edict. The notion of state ownership vs private property is indeed more capitalist, as long as it's actually meaningful. For private property to mean som…

Hey Mike!

Kishore coined the term as a way to clear up people’s misunderstanding of what the CCP is. His point is that people misread the CCP’s goal as advancing communism world wide, whereas in actuality its goal is to advance the interests of the Chinese nation. This misread results in nonsensical China policy, which is why he promotes the term, to help people deal with China as it is and not what people think China is.

As for control of private property: interventions are possible, for sure. But I am not sure whether the existence of interventions is a meaningful point in this discussion. Here in the Netherlands there are a ton of interventions too. I can’t even park a bike on my own parking lot without getting into trouble! Yet nobody will argue that private property in the Netherlands is weak. The fact is that for the most part, property in China really is private. That large companies have to cede some control is an exception to the rule, because most companies are not large.

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