Huawei CEO: After September 15 No More Kirin Chips

Post by Nokinside » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 4:17 PM UTC

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Huawei can still buy SoC with US technology in it if it's designed and manufactured by others. US restrictions are all about Huawei’s ability to use U.S. technology and software to design and manufacture semiconductors abroad. BIS made targeted rule "to impose a new control over certain foreign-produced items, when there is knowledge that such items are destined to a designated entity on the Entity List." > (i) Items…

>Huawei can still buy SoC with US technology in it if it's designed and manufactured by others. I don't get it, if the U.S. wants to cripple Huawei why would they let you buy SoC that way? The whole point I thought was that any company dealing with Huawei that used some material proportion of U.S. originated technology to deliver goods to Huawei had to stop. Which means in order for Huawei to build chips it needs a s…

Post by robert_foss » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 4:51 PM UTC

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And a clear win for democratic governments who do not send dissenters to re-training camps. From a competitive landscape, yes it sucks. But Huawei / China needs to be punished for its blatant IP theft, I think this is a great place to start.

At the same time the US caused (directly/indirectly) the death of 400-800k people in Iraq. Somehow there is a double standard regarding human rights. China is despicable but I think that the moral ground of the US regarding this kind of issue is quite shaky.

Post by rasz » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 4:55 PM UTC

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I really doubt it. China has its own fabs, they're just a few generations behind (14nm). That "only" means their chips are not competitive in certain contexts (heat, power), not that they can't have chips at all. They're investing heavily in research and development. It's just a matter of time before they catch up. There's no need to do something risky and expensive, like starting a war over Taiwan. And taking over T…

Not to mention that Taiwan will trigger the explosive devices that they have embedded into infrastructure and manufacturing plants. China may coerce Taiwanese scientists, but won’t find a functioning chip fab to use.

Post by DiogenesKynikos » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 5:29 PM UTC

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>Huawei can still buy SoC with US technology in it if it's designed and manufactured by others. I don't get it, if the U.S. wants to cripple Huawei why would they let you buy SoC that way? The whole point I thought was that any company dealing with Huawei that used some material proportion of U.S. originated technology to deliver goods to Huawei had to stop. Which means in order for Huawei to build chips it needs a s…

US actions must be proportional and related to the damage that they attribute to Huawei. Even in close to lawless Trump era there WTO exists and sanctions can be challenged and ignored by other countries if they are excessive.

Post by FooBarWidget » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 5:34 PM UTC

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Based on what sources do you make your claims, and what makes you so sure Mahbubani is wrong? Also, regarding "communist"... they're not really communist, haven't been for a long time now. 80% of the businesses in China are privately owned, and people have private property. Though socialist elements still exist; my wife's grandparents recently received new houses from the government, as reimbursement for tearing down…

> Also, regarding "communist"... they're not really communist, haven't been for a long time now. Right, but communism has never been communism where it has been tried, that's the paradox of communism. trying to continually redefine the term to fit your narrative to that it's still pure is a boring exercise in bike-shedding.