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Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by dominotw »

Nocerg wrote: post #50
dominotw wrote: post #15

uber laidoff american staff and is hiring in India[1]. This is not an exception, just a sign of things to come. If you do ordinary CRUD coding at work in USA, I would seriously start looking at how to pivot out of that job. 1. https://www.businessinsider.com/uber-india-south-asia-stipen...

As a fairly new mobile (iOS native, Android native) developer (2 years professional experience) based in the US, should I be worried? What I'm asking is: Do you think another type of developer (e.g. Systems programming) will not need to pivot?

yes anyone who is a 'ticket churning/ story completing machine'

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Post by tomlu »

subsubzero wrote: post #59
errantspark wrote: post #46

The first thing that went through my head when I saw this headline was: "Huh, maybe I should send them a resume." I'm hype if this trend continues.

Same boat, founders seem level headed and the company seems heading in the right direction. For me a plus is the office locations in Australia. I wonder what the next companies to do this will be?

Make sure you visit Sydney specifically though, it's a bit different from the rest of Australia. It's not everyone's cup of tea, though you may well end up loving it.

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Post by Jare »

Solstinox wrote: post #31
coldtea wrote: post #2

I hope those now remote employees have access to some good issue tracking, repo hosting, and collaboration/documentation tools. Else they'll be forced to use something like Jira, Confluence, Bit Bucket, and such, which suck...

You know what’s worse than having to work with JIRA/Confluence/Bit Bucket, and such? Working with people who keep changing systems every 6-12 months. A crappy system used fully is better than system surfing to find the Holy Grail™.

I was saying a couple weeks ago that one just ok system is better than 5 good ones because with 5 you never know which one of them has the thing you're looking for.

Incidentally that conversation started with the suggestion to bring Jira into our already bloated set of services.

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Post by znpy »

ConsiderCrying wrote: post #67
znpy wrote: post #25

The really cool outcome for me would be if all my coworkers get to work from home and I could snatch a whole office just for me (there's a binding rent contract for the next X years still, we might as well use it :P) Edit: this comment was a bit sarcastic, just in case somebody didn't get that.

Ah yes, the perfect horror movie scenario. Honestly, if the office was pretty close to my home, I wouldn't mind going there every week on one or two days, just to break the routine of sitting at home. But happy to see the 5-day mandatory "go talk to your coworkers and sit in a cubicle" regime slowly being phased out.

I'd love to have my own cubicle. I fu--ing hate open spaces.

Btw, currently my job is a 25 minutes subway ride away, so... So and so. Not a lot, to be honest, I don't have to drive and the monthly public transport subscription is fairly cheap (~39€/month).

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Post by jasonv »

ram_rar wrote: post #56

If this trend continues, it should affect bay area housing prices. I dont see any reason to pay such high rent, if I could work anywhere in the pacific north west.

My Bay Area job is letting me WFH permanently, and I'm looking to move to an adjacent area but the rental market is empty, and housing sales seem... targeted to SF expats.

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Post by xienze »

dominotw wrote: post #15

uber laidoff american staff and is hiring in India[1]. This is not an exception, just a sign of things to come. If you do ordinary CRUD coding at work in USA, I would seriously start looking at how to pivot out of that job. 1. https://www.businessinsider.com/uber-india-south-asia-stipen...

I’ve been around long enough to see the cycle play out a time or two:

1. Hey, let’s hire cheap Indian workers!

2. WTF, we didn’t expect all these time zone and quality control issues!

3. Let’s onshore again!

Believe me they’ve been trying to do the Indian outsourcing thing for a looooooong time. It doesn’t work as well as imagined. The Indian developers who are as good as their western counterparts don’t stay in India.

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Post by DoofusOfDeath »

lebski88 wrote: post #62
ram_rar wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it depends a lot on company culture. I see more private conversations in slack happening as opposed to group chat. FOMO is as high as stock market.

I've worked remotely for 4 years now. We try extremely hard to avoid talking in private chats. Each person has their own channel which we try to use over DMs - this works really well although a few people seem to default to DM.

I've worked from home for ~6 years and 2 companies.

I really miss real whiteboards.

The only thing worse that being on a software team that has no whiteboards, is being the only remote person on a team that has whiteboards in the office.

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Post by LifeLiverTransp »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #39
Solstinox wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know what’s worse than having to work with JIRA/Confluence/Bit Bucket, and such? Working with people who keep changing systems every 6-12 months. A crappy system used fully is better than system surfing to find the Holy Grail™.

So, like jira every couple of months? Festures removed, ui changed...

Braile is the new flat UI - you will love it once, you give this UX a try

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Post by znpy »

emeerson wrote: post #65
d357r0y3r wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right away? No, not in most cases. For future hires, how could it not? If high COL located companies starting going fully remote, it's a huge opportunity for workers in medium or low COL. For workers still determined to live in a high COL, it will absolutely put downward pressure on their salary. Their labor market is being exposed to a lot of competition that wasn't there before. I think if this trend of going fully…

Agree. Further corollary: more workers will be concentrated around 2nd-tier hubs where their wages will be lower than 1st-tier, but higher that median wages. 2nd-tier median wages will then drive up housing prices which will rinse & repeat COL increase trends seen in the Bay Area. Hopefully these other hubs will have better development zoning & housing policies than San Francisco / Bay Area.

But new hubs could emerge, though.
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