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Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by MattGaiser »

tomerico wrote: post #48

Unfortunately, game theory says that remote work will not stay once people can go back to work from the office safely. The reality is that there is a real advantage in working in person. Whether it’s increased trust, communication, or lower friction. We could see it pre-COVID in a he fact that there are barely any successful remote offices (let alone individuals). This means that employees would see advantages to com…

I love remote work. But yeah, I have also realized that if I didn’t show up for a few days, nobody would notice.

And that presents a long term problem.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by dijit »

Solstinox wrote: post #31
coldtea wrote: post #2

I hope those now remote employees have access to some good issue tracking, repo hosting, and collaboration/documentation tools. Else they'll be forced to use something like Jira, Confluence, Bit Bucket, and such, which suck...

You know what’s worse than having to work with JIRA/Confluence/Bit Bucket, and such? Working with people who keep changing systems every 6-12 months. A crappy system used fully is better than system surfing to find the Holy Grail™.

Man, I’d agree with you if my experiences with these tools wasn’t _so bad_.

The current implementation of jira and confluence I’m using is worse than having _no_ ticket tracking and documentation system.

Because if it didn’t exist there would be the impetus to implement something. But we just kinda barely limp by with what we have.

It’s so barely functional that people actively avoid using it.

I’m fully aware that the company is to blame and not necessarily atlassian though, as we have a number of plugins and random custom fields.

One of the most dangerous things about jira is that it tries to be everything to everyone and people get carried away in the customisation believing they need it. It slows everything to a crawl and leaves you inundated with mandatory fields and a nightmare of matching stories with sprints and estimations in order to bring a bloody task in.

Life was better with rt and mediawiki.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by hinkley »

Orou wrote: post #41
sg47 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank God they discontinued Hipchat.

I actually liked Hipchat. It did what it was supposed to do - provide instant chat with colleagues - without the overhead and frills of Slack. It was simple and reliable. I'm not sure why it was so disliked.

> It was simple and reliable.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by babaganoosh89 »

Orou wrote: post #41
sg47 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank God they discontinued Hipchat.

I actually liked Hipchat. It did what it was supposed to do - provide instant chat with colleagues - without the overhead and frills of Slack. It was simple and reliable. I'm not sure why it was so disliked.

The memes were also better

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by hinkley »

coldtea wrote: post #2

I hope those now remote employees have access to some good issue tracking, repo hosting, and collaboration/documentation tools. Else they'll be forced to use something like Jira, Confluence, Bit Bucket, and such, which suck...

I have a tiny sliver of hope that they will see how it behaves on a slow network and fix some stuff.

One day I need to have a beer with these people who say Jira is fast. I've seen everything from "unremarkable" to "If we don't reboot the servers on Monday then nobody can work after 10 am on Friday". But never, ever, fast.

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Post by ram_rar »

quaffapint wrote: post #47

I'm noticing we're about 40/60 with more wanting to go back to the office at my midsize company. I'm happily with the 40, but the company is just using this time to spruce up the office just waiting for our return. I find communication and the work being better now then when we're in the office. All the cliques and hallway talk is more online, so I have a better clue what's going on. I wish it would stay that way.

it depends a lot on company culture. I see more private conversations in slack happening as opposed to group chat. FOMO is as high as stock market.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by Bombthecat »

simonswords82 wrote: post #5

It's a no brainer. We will look back at offices like we look back on Victorian warehouses. Edit: People seem to be agreeing but I'm getting downvoted. WTF.

No way. I know one giant telecom company going remote.

Now, the plan is :bring everyone back to the office, despite clear better kpi and more output etc.

Old managers just cant let go.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by subsubzero »

errantspark wrote: post #46

The first thing that went through my head when I saw this headline was: "Huh, maybe I should send them a resume." I'm hype if this trend continues.

Same boat, founders seem level headed and the company seems heading in the right direction. For me a plus is the office locations in Australia. I wonder what the next companies to do this will be?

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by davidw »

dominotw wrote: post #42
davidw wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. stop allowing foreign workers into the US 2. extremely portable work goes abroad

reversing 1 won't stop 2 though. I don't understand your logic. Why would someone go through the hassle of hiring and bringing a H1B at higher salary in USA when they can hire the same person in India at much lower cost.

Some people from other countries are very good at what they do, and are hired because of that, not just because of 'cheap'. Cheap is an added bonus if you decide you need to open a dev center for the highly skilled people and can then also bring on some more mid-level talent.
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