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Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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I hope those now remote employees have access to some good issue tracking, repo hosting, and collaboration/documentation tools. Else they'll be forced to use something like Jira, Confluence, Bit Bucket, and such, which suck...

You know what’s worse than having to work with JIRA/Confluence/Bit Bucket, and such? Working with people who keep changing systems every 6-12 months. A crappy system used fully is better than system surfing to find the Holy Grail™.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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It's a no brainer. We will look back at offices like we look back on Victorian warehouses. Edit: People seem to be agreeing but I'm getting downvoted. WTF.

I think it may be premature to celebrate the demise of the office. An awful lot of people still like them. And aside from some big names, how many companies are really looking to give up their office work? I work for a mid-size (10000 employees) software company and we are working from home for the forseeable future, but management has been very clear that they think collaboration works best in an office environment, and they plan on going back to the office once it becomes safe to do so.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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I hope those now remote employees have access to some good issue tracking, repo hosting, and collaboration/documentation tools. Else they'll be forced to use something like Jira, Confluence, Bit Bucket, and such, which suck...

Thank God they discontinued Hipchat.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Right away? No, not in most cases. For future hires, how could it not? If high COL located companies starting going fully remote, it's a huge opportunity for workers in medium or low COL. For workers still determined to live in a high COL, it will absolutely put downward pressure on their salary. Their labor market is being exposed to a lot of competition that wasn't there before. I think if this trend of going fully…

> I think if this trend of going fully remote holds up, it becomes much harder to justify living in an expensive city, especially as workers age. There's still distinct benefits to big cities. You can order stuff online fast, even groceries. You get good Internet connectivity, which is a thing that you need for remote work. Lots of services around.

Maybe in North America. In a lot of Europe, you can get pretty fast internet in small cities (fiber speeds)

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I am directly responsible for Jira and Confluence admin/infrastructure on an enterprise level and once you know how at least Jira works, its a fairly powerful tool for PM's. I haven't run into many issues except during a migration where we knew we were going to run into issues. Atlassian's documentation isn't that good however.

> its a fairly powerful tool for PM's That's the fundamental problem. Jira is sold to PMs and managers, not to developers, and it shows. Jira isn't an issue tracking tool, it's a work-tracking and developer-tracking tool masquerading as an issue tracker. The people who spend the most time with it aren't the customer.

> Jira is sold to PMs and managers, not to developers, and it shows

When you're working with Python, Jira will render __init__.py as an italicized version of _init_.py even when you put it in monospace with the {{braces}}. If you're talking more abstractly about algorithms, O(n) turns into the letter O followed by the thumbs down emoji.

It's a good thing no one uses Jira for software projects because that'd be really awkward!!!

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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post #33
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I hope those now remote employees have access to some good issue tracking, repo hosting, and collaboration/documentation tools. Else they'll be forced to use something like Jira, Confluence, Bit Bucket, and such, which suck...

Thank God they discontinued Hipchat.

Odd, that's the one atlassian product I like. I remember it as being better than slack..

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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I hope those now remote employees have access to some good issue tracking, repo hosting, and collaboration/documentation tools. Else they'll be forced to use something like Jira, Confluence, Bit Bucket, and such, which suck...

I am directly responsible for Jira and Confluence admin/infrastructure on an enterprise level and once you know how at least Jira works, its a fairly powerful tool for PM's. I haven't run into many issues except during a migration where we knew we were going to run into issues. Atlassian's documentation isn't that good however.

Jira is achingly slow. Confluence has the worst search in the world.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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uber laidoff american staff and is hiring in India[1]. This is not an exception, just a sign of things to come. If you do ordinary CRUD coding at work in USA, I would seriously start looking at how to pivot out of that job. 1. https://www.businessinsider.com/uber-india-south-asia-stipen...

Uber also had fired a bunch of people from India. (I'm from India). But I was in complete shock when they started hiring again just a month after firing so many people. I think using the pandemic as a scapegoat they got to clean up some highly paid resources and recruit new ones bargaining (given pandemic those who looked for job didn't have much to ask for). I guess there must be some government regulatory body looking into such type of firing and hiring process.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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I hope those now remote employees have access to some good issue tracking, repo hosting, and collaboration/documentation tools. Else they'll be forced to use something like Jira, Confluence, Bit Bucket, and such, which suck...

You know what’s worse than having to work with JIRA/Confluence/Bit Bucket, and such? Working with people who keep changing systems every 6-12 months. A crappy system used fully is better than system surfing to find the Holy Grail™.

So, like jira every couple of months? Festures removed, ui changed...

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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uber laidoff american staff and is hiring in India[1]. This is not an exception, just a sign of things to come. If you do ordinary CRUD coding at work in USA, I would seriously start looking at how to pivot out of that job. 1. https://www.businessinsider.com/uber-india-south-asia-stipen...

Hasn't this been tried before?

The difference these days is that US-based developers are going to be facing most of the same hurdles as the international teams. It's a blow to their competitiveness.
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