After GitHub CEO backs Black Lives Matter, workers demand an end to ICE contract

Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jun 15, 2020, 6:28 PM UTC

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I don’t believe I’ve got it backwards. If Github/Microsoft won’t serve ICE, someone else will. If you want to fix ICE, the political process is what fixes that, not feel good efforts on a single business. As someone with entities that are registered to do business with the federal government, I’d provide services to ICE, because ICE isn’t the problem: how they’re regulated is the problem. Not providing services to IC…

"If I don't mug this person wandering lost & alone at night, someone else will." - 'someone else will' is not a very good argument or justification for your actions.

Post by code_sloth » Mon, Jun 15, 2020, 6:33 PM UTC

dnautics wrote: post #337

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I mean this in the nicest possible way; have you ever faced discrimination based on the colour of your skin, gender, sexual orientation, disabilities or anything else which is protected by law in most civilised countries? If, like a significant portion of the HN audience, you are straight, white, middle class and male it's probably easier for you to dismiss the right to fair treatment than it might be for individuals…

I have. And you know what, civil rights laws did jack all to protect me. I'm much happier knowing that the people that operate that business were racist jerks (instead of, say, them being forced to serve me and spit in my food, which would be a health concern), and I have dissuaded probably on the order of a hundred people from going to that place, and that was in the era before social media.

Post by gerbal » Mon, Jun 15, 2020, 6:35 PM UTC

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So you don't like the questions the term "concentration camp" makes you ask about the indefinite detention of foreign nationals for misdemeanor offenses? Maybe the term isn't the problem and the policy you are trying to defend is

I'm fine with the questions on immigration. It's a political issue that has been unaddressed for decades, and needs to be faced soon. I'm not fine with hyperbole. It causes unnecessary arguments and deadens people to extreme viewpoints. Reality is bad enough to cause political change as long as attention is brought to it.

Post by licebmi__at__ » Mon, Jun 15, 2020, 6:36 PM UTC

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I guess this is the reason lot of corporates try to stay out of politics. Because once you set a precedence then people will use that as to push their own political agendas. I personally don't like the slippery slope argument since it's very lazy and justifies inaction in many cases. But at the same time when I see news like this, I just wonder how long it will take two different subgroups trying push their own confl…

Slippery slopes are not always a fallacy, roughly the same way appeal to authority is not a fallacy when the authority is indeed an expert. Relevant: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Kbm6QnJv9dgWsPHQP/schelling-...

Post by mtgp1000 » Mon, Jun 15, 2020, 6:41 PM UTC

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I guess when they start administering ideological purity tests at the bagel shop, I'll know who to thank. After all, providing any type of sustenance or service to a person with the wrong political beliefs helps enable their wrong-ness, doesn't it?

Equating government contracts to service at a bagel shop is naive at best.