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Re: Play Counter-Strike 1.6 in your browser

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Post by EtrianWizard » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 2:49 AM UTC

caymanjim wrote: post #266

nthitz wrote: post #211

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What areas does CS:GO fall short in when compared to 1.6?

There's not a lot of difference in gameplay, but CSGO destroyed the sense of community and enabled toxic players. Prior to CSGO, there was a vibrant community of player-hosted servers, run by clans. The best of them had active admins who would kick/ban cheaters, trolls, and toxic people. It was hard to find good community servers, but once you did, it felt like home. It's much easier to get into a match now, due to t…

Rambling post ahead:

You see this trend in MMOs as well - towards convenience (and fun) at the expense of community.

Back in the old days of EverQuest and Final Fantasy XI, it was almost impossible to do anything by yourself; you HAD to find other people, and ideally a clan. Enemies would destroy you after level 10 or so, and quests were incredibly laconic and abstruse seemingly by design.

Everything about the game was difficult, dangerous, and mysterious. Reaching out to others was expected, and many were glad to help you through those same challenges they too struggled with.

On the other hand, it took hours - often all night - to accomplish just about anything. Once you got a good party going, you basically didn't want to stop, as just getting to that point took two freakin' hours.

On the other other hand, because everything took forever, you would inevitably shoot the shit, because there was just nothing else to do!

Anyways, nowadays you can easily solo pretty much any modern MMO; and any group content just automatically plops you into a party with some dudes that you will quite certainly never see again. Action is immediate with little time to type anything, (there's surprisingly little support for voice chat in these games), and usually easy enough to hardly require spoken coordination.

Just gotta look for people on discord I guess.

Re: Play Counter-Strike 1.6 in your browser

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Post by sershe » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 3:14 AM UTC

The last version of CS worth playing was 1.2 (or 1.3? or 1.4? I don't recall), where strafe jumping was still possible, so you could pretend it's Quake and annoy the hell out of the more covert people.

Re: Play Counter-Strike 1.6 in your browser

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Post by Jldevictoria » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 3:38 AM UTC

gbmor wrote: post #300

caymanjim wrote: post #266

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There's not a lot of difference in gameplay, but CSGO destroyed the sense of community and enabled toxic players. Prior to CSGO, there was a vibrant community of player-hosted servers, run by clans. The best of them had active admins who would kick/ban cheaters, trolls, and toxic people. It was hard to find good community servers, but once you did, it felt like home. It's much easier to get into a match now, due to t…

This is why, when given the choice between CS:GO and predecessors, I'll usually pick CS:S. In the CS1.x days I had a "home" server, we BSed and played together all the time, and cheaters / troublemakers were promptly dealt with. Afterwards, I had a CS:S "home" server for years until it shut down a while back. Maybe 2018? I just don't get that same experience from CS:GO. I still play CS:S.

Source plays the best in my opinion. Of course I pretty much only exclusively play turbo gungames now, so my perception of what makes the game fun has shifted a lot.

Re: Play Counter-Strike 1.6 in your browser

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Post by strbean » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 4:18 AM UTC

MarkSort wrote: post #199

strbean wrote: post #193

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It's been awhile since I took a crack at WebRTC. Do you still need to go through all the peer negotiation even when you are just trying to get to a known server?

Yes, you still have to go through the negotiation. I put together a tutorial for a minimal Node.js Server + Browser Clients example a while back: https://www.marksort.com/udp-like-networking-in-the-browser/

Bleh! I was really hoping they would have smoothed that out by now. I just want a damn UDP socket to my server!

I guess it's easier to piggyback on the security model of the P2P handshake than work out a separate model for client-server communication.

I built a pair of libraries for a nodejsbrowser DataChannel, it was a nightmare at the time though, and I'm sure totally obsolete by now.

Given how long it took for us to get %*@!$ data channels, I guess we'll get a simpler way to connect to a regular server in... 2030? (I watched WebRTC very closely from the Ericsson prototype was released... for awhile I was contemplating trying to pass data in the audio or video streams -_-)

Re: Play Counter-Strike 1.6 in your browser

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Post by strbean » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 4:21 AM UTC

chrischen wrote: post #205

strbean wrote: post #190

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Unfortunately, it seems like Riot plans to take the same approach they do with League of Legends, and introduce new agents consistently and frequently. With the need for unique and interesting abilities to drive interest, Valorant will end up being much closer to Overwatch than CS.

I would say it’s still fundamentally different from overwatch in that players who prefer CS-style may not like Overwatch but would like Valorant. Overwatch is much more abilities-heavy while Valorant is still more aiming heavy.

On the one hand, with TTKs the same as CS, it's unlikely it will ever be as ability heavy as Overwatch.

On the other hand, unless Riot deviates massively from my expectations, they will release new agents so often, and with such power creep, that it will get pretty damn abilities-heavy and approach Overwatch.

Re: Play Counter-Strike 1.6 in your browser

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Post by caymanjim » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 4:47 AM UTC

EtrianWizard wrote: post #301

caymanjim wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's not a lot of difference in gameplay, but CSGO destroyed the sense of community and enabled toxic players. Prior to CSGO, there was a vibrant community of player-hosted servers, run by clans. The best of them had active admins who would kick/ban cheaters, trolls, and toxic people. It was hard to find good community servers, but once you did, it felt like home. It's much easier to get into a match now, due to t…

Rambling post ahead: You see this trend in MMOs as well - towards convenience (and fun) at the expense of community. Back in the old days of EverQuest and Final Fantasy XI, it was almost impossible to do anything by yourself; you HAD to find other people, and ideally a clan. Enemies would destroy you after level 10 or so, and quests were incredibly laconic and abstruse seemingly by design. Everything about the game w…

WoW ruined community in many ways. They added the Dungeon Finder, so you no longer have to socialize to find a group; they added cross-server battlegrounds, cross-server Dungeon Finder, and even cross-server zones, so all your experiences are with random people you'll never see again; they made it trivial to travel from place to place, so you don't need to go on epic journeys that require banding together for survival. There used to be a role for "community elders"—experienced players who would show newbies the ropes, organize and lead dungeons and raids, etc. Those things still happen, but because they're no longer necessary, it's possible to get all the way to endgame raiding without making any friends (or even speaking to anyone). Since you don't need any community to play, toxic players can succeed—and even thrive—by being selfish and taking advantage of others. There's no social credit anymore.

Re: Play Counter-Strike 1.6 in your browser

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Post by dirtyid » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 4:52 AM UTC

Wish I knew about this during quarantine.

Re: Play Counter-Strike 1.6 in your browser

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Post by trickstra » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 5:24 AM UTC

shultays wrote: post #172

Jnr wrote: post #87

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Last time I checked - Valve has no game servers/entry nodes in Russia. Western Russia connects to Sweden or Poland. Northern European and Eastern European countries connect through the same nodes. Connections within Valve network are handled internally (since they can tune it for better latency, etc.) and you don't even know where the actual game server is hosted. So there is always a big mix of players no matter whe…

I thought dota had one but it has been a while and can't remember if that was really the case. Assuming it is not, I wonder why? Lots of russian players, why wouldn't Valve put servers in Russia?

Data Localization Laws: https://jsis.washington.edu/news/russian-data-localization-e...

Re: Play Counter-Strike 1.6 in your browser

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Post by orionblastar » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 5:58 AM UTC

gsich wrote: post #84

umaar wrote: post #50

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I'm all for web apps, but does CS actually require admin rights? > disk space CS just downloaded 185mb of network resources for me to play. I would have thought those resources are stored on my disk, and not just in memory. > installation time That 185mb of resources took ~1 minute to download. By the time it had finished, it told me the server was full. Regardless this is still very impressive.

>I'm all for web apps, but does CS actually require admin rights? No. The cracked version(s) that are played in schools and whatnot are usually just a zip file you extract and run.

More like a portable CS that can be placed in the documents directory and run from there. I remember my son's cousins installing software while not as admin on my Windows PC by installing in the documents directory. CS, AOL Chat, etc.

A good way to get malware as well. I could never trust those cracked versions. One cracked version made CS 1.6 with Navy Seals looking for bin Laden, which I thought was fun.

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Post by andrewksl » Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:19 AM UTC

georgewsinger wrote: post #295

Who remembers CS 1.3 -- the last truly great CS, before 1.4 removed bunny hopping and thus ruined the game?

Beta 7.1 was where it where I got hooked. The Steyr Scout was a 1 shot kill with the same move speed and cs_mansion was the epitome of map balance. At least at the 12-PC internet cafe I could play at.