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How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Why do I not see more drones in the protest videos? You'd think that would be a safe way to film things, plus it's a little harder to confiscate than your phone.

Flying over groups of people is not allowed.

If you are recording during curfew it seems a much better in term of risks, both legal and physically.

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Tonight I witnessed a young girl get knocked out cold by a tear gas canister shot into her face from about a 40 ft. range. She was holding her hands up. There was nothing but peaceful protesters standing around, not blocking traffic. No vandalism anywhere in sight. This was in Louisville, KY. The police fired rubber bullets at the group of people carrying her away to a place on the other side of the line of humvees b…

> Everything most middle-income Americans think about our police forces is wrong. That statement is a bit vague, everyone is going to substitute their own interpretation in. The police don't target racial minorities because they are racist. People who want power over others sign up for policing - and then go after groups who have the least ability to fight back. The middle income might know the symptoms, but they are…

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Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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> It's always ethical to film police misconduct, in fact what's unethical is that they're not already filming themselves. That it is possible to film ethically is not the point. Particularly if you include sharing the video as part of "filming" then there's a lot to consider which this goes into. Two things to me are simple and good examples - does what I'm filming accurately reflect what's happening? If I deliberate…

Correct. If you are filming someone, be aware that your video may be used as proof in court - for example, to prove that a person was indeed resisting arrest. It's best to not release it to anyone except to the victim's lawyers who will make sure the video supports their case instead of undermining it.

Only unethical lawyers? Suppressing evidence can get them disbarred.

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The US has underfunded education and training at every fundamental step of life. It's the root of many of our problems.

That does not seem to be the case. The US spends more on education than any other country. $16,268 a year per student vs global average of $10,759". It's evident that money does not translate into better results. "According to the Washington thinktank the National Center on Education and the Economy (NCEE), the average student in Singapore is 3.5 years ahead of her US counterpart in maths, 1.5 years ahead in reading…

Agreed. I can’t reply to the child comment, but school infrastructure is usually funded with bonds (at least around here).

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> shooting civilians with paint canisters on their own property Even if it weren't legal to be outside on your own property from 8p-6a, this isn't proper enforcement of the law.

That's because the National Guard isn't law enforcement.

That video wasn't of the national guard it was clearly police of some kind based on the uniforms. Also typically the national guard units they activate for stuff like this are often the MP units so they would be trained on law enforcement specific things. Either way it doesn't excuse or justify that blatant misconduct in the video.

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I use https://legiblenews.com to keep up with most important things happening in the world.

That seems to be a timed snap-shotted version of Wikipedia's current events page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events

Yep, there's an attribution at the bottom of the page that credits "Wikipedia contributors"

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Long zoom lens is probably safest. Something like nikon p900 has a zoom of x83 and is about $500 on ebay.

Having just seen some videos of store owners getting whacked with 2x4s by looters. Need a follow up article, how to safely and ethically deal with looters.

https://twitter.com/WHAM1180/status/1267031930308104197

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You don't even need to leave your porch to get shot. Police and National Guard are patrolling neighborhoods and shooting civilians with paint canisters on their own property in Minneapolis. In one case they yelled "Light 'em up!" before starting to shoot [1] with ammunition that could blind people. It's legal to be outside your house during the curfew in Minneapolis [2]. > Can I be outside my house (on my property) a…

It's a chaotic situation. They (the police/nat-guard) likely wanted people inside their homes to prevent further chaos and confrontations. It all becomes more volatile if everyone's on their porch, outraged, as the police "parade" comes through. I know folks on HN like strict interpretations and reasoning of what's legal or illegal, but all of that gets very blurred during a riot when the situation at any given time…

- There isn't a riot happening there

- shooting people on their porch is the cause of chaos and confrontation you claim police are trying to prevent

- fuck those guys

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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I'm starting to wonder if we need some formal role for communities in this.

Bad cops must be held accountable. But also there must be some way to compel a belligerent person to go along with police (i.e. not resist arrest). Maybe there should be 'community liaisons' or something that would be called out when there is a troublesome situation.

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Why do I not see more drones in the protest videos? You'd think that would be a safe way to film things, plus it's a little harder to confiscate than your phone.

for one thing, it's almost certainly illegal to fly a drone in this circumstance. it's over a large crowd of people and could also be construed as "interfering with emergency services". knowing what can happen to people who are making legal recordings, I'd hate to be the odd one out who's actually recording illegally.

This answer baffles me. The illegality is moot in a political confrontation like this. And how are they going to know who's flying it? You do so from cover and give the footage to a journalist you trust. Your main problem is the risk of losing the drone.
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