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Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by StellarTabi »

It's always ethical to film police misconduct, in fact what's unethical is that they're not already filming themselves.

Safety is important, protesters (and even journalists...) have been livestreaming themselves innocently doing nothing (in contrast to other media's hyper-focusing on "looting") then getting shot with rubber bullets. One of them reportedly has permanent blindness in the left eye as a result.

Police brutality in response to a protest against police brutality is truly disturbing.

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by snovv_crash »

notahacker wrote: post #7
lordnacho wrote: post #5

Why do I not see more drones in the protest videos? You'd think that would be a safe way to film things, plus it's a little harder to confiscate than your phone.

I assume consumer drones are not particularly difficult to shoot down, with rubber bullets or otherwise

Racing drones are much sturdier and harder to hit, lots of videos of people on YouTube with paintball guns trying to shoot drones.

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by samdamsamm »

StellarTabi wrote: post #11

It's always ethical to film police misconduct, in fact what's unethical is that they're not already filming themselves. Safety is important, protesters (and even journalists...) have been livestreaming themselves innocently doing nothing (in contrast to other media's hyper-focusing on "looting") then getting shot with rubber bullets. One of them reportedly has permanent blindness in the left eye as a result. Police b…

Tonight I witnessed a young girl get knocked out cold by a tear gas canister shot into her face from about a 40 ft. range. She was holding her hands up.

There was nothing but peaceful protesters standing around, not blocking traffic. No vandalism anywhere in sight. This was in Louisville, KY.

The police fired rubber bullets at the group of people carrying her away to a place on the other side of the line of humvees blocking the street to where the ambulance could reach her.

Everything most middle-income Americans think about our police forces is wrong.

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by samizdis »

kenneth wrote: post #9
lordnacho wrote: post #5

Why do I not see more drones in the protest videos? You'd think that would be a safe way to film things, plus it's a little harder to confiscate than your phone.

I was wondering the same thing myself today. It'd be interesting to come up with a drone that's ideal for this purpose… that can quickly fly and relocate somewhere, but can land on any flat surface and record remotely. You could perch it on nearby buildings or even things like traffic lights

Defence companies have been touting "perch and stare" capabilities for quite a while. This is from 2017, but gives the gist of the idea:

https://defensesystems.com/articles/2017/09/cw/army-research...

Edited to add: this is the sort of thing:

https://www.pasadenastarnews.com/2017/05/22/aerovironments-c...

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by scarface74 »

samdamsamm wrote: post #13
StellarTabi wrote: post #11

It's always ethical to film police misconduct, in fact what's unethical is that they're not already filming themselves. Safety is important, protesters (and even journalists...) have been livestreaming themselves innocently doing nothing (in contrast to other media's hyper-focusing on "looting") then getting shot with rubber bullets. One of them reportedly has permanent blindness in the left eye as a result. Police b…

Tonight I witnessed a young girl get knocked out cold by a tear gas canister shot into her face from about a 40 ft. range. She was holding her hands up. There was nothing but peaceful protesters standing around, not blocking traffic. No vandalism anywhere in sight. This was in Louisville, KY. The police fired rubber bullets at the group of people carrying her away to a place on the other side of the line of humvees b…

Middle America knows that police target minorities - they just don’t care.

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by [deleted] »

samdamsamm wrote: post #13
StellarTabi wrote: post #11

It's always ethical to film police misconduct, in fact what's unethical is that they're not already filming themselves. Safety is important, protesters (and even journalists...) have been livestreaming themselves innocently doing nothing (in contrast to other media's hyper-focusing on "looting") then getting shot with rubber bullets. One of them reportedly has permanent blindness in the left eye as a result. Police b…

Tonight I witnessed a young girl get knocked out cold by a tear gas canister shot into her face from about a 40 ft. range. She was holding her hands up. There was nothing but peaceful protesters standing around, not blocking traffic. No vandalism anywhere in sight. This was in Louisville, KY. The police fired rubber bullets at the group of people carrying her away to a place on the other side of the line of humvees b…

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Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by dessant »

samdamsamm wrote: post #13
StellarTabi wrote: post #11

It's always ethical to film police misconduct, in fact what's unethical is that they're not already filming themselves. Safety is important, protesters (and even journalists...) have been livestreaming themselves innocently doing nothing (in contrast to other media's hyper-focusing on "looting") then getting shot with rubber bullets. One of them reportedly has permanent blindness in the left eye as a result. Police b…

Tonight I witnessed a young girl get knocked out cold by a tear gas canister shot into her face from about a 40 ft. range. She was holding her hands up. There was nothing but peaceful protesters standing around, not blocking traffic. No vandalism anywhere in sight. This was in Louisville, KY. The police fired rubber bullets at the group of people carrying her away to a place on the other side of the line of humvees b…

You don't even need to leave your porch to get shot. Police and National Guard are patrolling neighborhoods and shooting civilians with paint canisters on their own property in Minneapolis. In one case they yelled "Light 'em up!" before starting to shoot [1] with ammunition that could blind people.

It's legal to be outside your house during the curfew in Minneapolis [2].

> Can I be outside my house (on my property) after 8 p.m. and before 6 a.m.?

> Yes.

[1] https://twitter.com/tkerssen/status/1266921821653385225

[2] https://dps.mn.gov/macc/Pages/faq.aspx

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by ncmncm »

watwut wrote: post #10
lordnacho wrote: post #5

Why do I not see more drones in the protest videos? You'd think that would be a safe way to film things, plus it's a little harder to confiscate than your phone.

If you flight drone over protest and something hit the drone or you crash the drone, the drone will fall on people under it.

Useful drones can be very light, and much less dangerous to people than, e.g., a tear-gas canister.

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by roenxi »

samdamsamm wrote: post #13
StellarTabi wrote: post #11

It's always ethical to film police misconduct, in fact what's unethical is that they're not already filming themselves. Safety is important, protesters (and even journalists...) have been livestreaming themselves innocently doing nothing (in contrast to other media's hyper-focusing on "looting") then getting shot with rubber bullets. One of them reportedly has permanent blindness in the left eye as a result. Police b…

Tonight I witnessed a young girl get knocked out cold by a tear gas canister shot into her face from about a 40 ft. range. She was holding her hands up. There was nothing but peaceful protesters standing around, not blocking traffic. No vandalism anywhere in sight. This was in Louisville, KY. The police fired rubber bullets at the group of people carrying her away to a place on the other side of the line of humvees b…

> Everything most middle-income Americans think about our police forces is wrong.

That statement is a bit vague, everyone is going to substitute their own interpretation in. The police don't target racial minorities because they are racist. People who want power over others sign up for policing - and then go after groups who have the least ability to fight back.

The middle income might know the symptoms, but they are missing the cause. The cause is that if a fellow wants to hurl someone else to the ground, kick them and keep them down without a fair fight then their best chance as getting to that situation is to sign on to the police. This is an inescapable structural pressure that needs constant attention.

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