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Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by rsynnott »

michaelt wrote: post #22
roenxi wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Everything most middle-income Americans think about our police forces is wrong. That statement is a bit vague, everyone is going to substitute their own interpretation in. The police don't target racial minorities because they are racist. People who want power over others sign up for policing - and then go after groups who have the least ability to fight back. The middle income might know the symptoms, but they are…

> inescapable structural pressure I agree it's a severe problem, but I don't agree it's inescapable. It's a job that attracts brutal people only because it's a job that lets them get away with brutality. If the cycle of allowing brutality and attracting brutes could be broken, there's a good chance it'd stay broken. The police fraternity knows all about getting other cops to fall into line - just look at the "blue wa…

I wonder if part of why it seems particularly bad (for a developed country) in the US is the local police force system. In countries with national police forces, misconduct investigations are often conducted by specialist staff who may be from the other side of the country, who likely aren't really in the same org chart, and so on. It seems intuitively less likely to produce a fair result if the people investigating work in the same place and under the same org structure as the people being investigated.

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by tonyarkles »

notahacker wrote: post #7
lordnacho wrote: post #5

Why do I not see more drones in the protest videos? You'd think that would be a safe way to film things, plus it's a little harder to confiscate than your phone.

I assume consumer drones are not particularly difficult to shoot down, with rubber bullets or otherwise

In Canada, at least, a drone (even a consumer drone) is considered an aircraft. Shooting at an aircraft is not, legally, a very good idea. We're admittedly talking about a group of cops that don't seem to hold the law in very high regard, but intentionally shooting at an aircraft is likely to get some investigation from people a little higher up into the food chain. Airspace is federally regulated and the regulatory agencies (Transport Canada, FAA) don't generally like other agencies on their turf, shooting at things :)

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Post by eganist »

fsloth wrote: post #32
roenxi wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Everything most middle-income Americans think about our police forces is wrong. That statement is a bit vague, everyone is going to substitute their own interpretation in. The police don't target racial minorities because they are racist. People who want power over others sign up for policing - and then go after groups who have the least ability to fight back. The middle income might know the symptoms, but they are…

It's hardly inescapable. Police in the nordic countries acts and behaves more or less as a service branch of the government rather as a bully. But they have several years of training whereas US has only - what, a few months? I would say it's about skimping costs in the wrong place. US system is weird that in it's local search of frugal solutions it creates inefficient systems (like the medical sector).

The US has underfunded education and training at every fundamental step of life.

It's the root of many of our problems.

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by aurizon »

Do not wear a 'shoot me' sign. Live hidden video, (2 cams, one points front and one points rear placed behind a plastic grommet it can see through - but is not alone, or buttonhole - make sure cam can not be seen and can not be blocked as you move, and blends in to clothing) stream to a friend-monitored cloud(that the friend can view, but not erase in case the friend is also grabbed). This will give you video your cloud keeps, even if you are frisked flat on a wall. Google how to hide a cam with a grommet or other peephole. Facing away you are nota threat. Learn the ways you hidden cam points and stores video. Wide angle is good, but loses resolution in dimmer light. Use best resolution, 4K etc. Make sure your video cloud is pass-worded and you do not carry the PW in ur pocket. Battery life may be shortened, so an added battery pack pluged into the phone will help. You may be able to encrypt?? You can also use a tiny 4K cam instead of a phone because phones can be detected via some police hand scanners and some forces have been caught using stingrays that can detect and divert your video away from your cloud to their cloud. (I am not sure how well stingrays can do this in the USA, in some foreign places the police own this tech in depth - so be wary of risks and be able to silence your emissions of the police forces seem to be manually scanning people with sensing batons - again, this tech is costly and not universal, but it is out there. Only the paranoid.....

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by cariaso »

dessant wrote: post #17
samdamsamm wrote: post #13

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Tonight I witnessed a young girl get knocked out cold by a tear gas canister shot into her face from about a 40 ft. range. She was holding her hands up. There was nothing but peaceful protesters standing around, not blocking traffic. No vandalism anywhere in sight. This was in Louisville, KY. The police fired rubber bullets at the group of people carrying her away to a place on the other side of the line of humvees b…

You don't even need to leave your porch to get shot. Police and National Guard are patrolling neighborhoods and shooting civilians with paint canisters on their own property in Minneapolis. In one case they yelled "Light 'em up!" before starting to shoot [1] with ammunition that could blind people. It's legal to be outside your house during the curfew in Minneapolis [2]. > Can I be outside my house (on my property) a…

worth noting that MN National Guard seems to have replied to this specific video and say that it' is not them.

https://twitter.com/MNNationalGuard/status/12670051854922260...

This doesn't quite disagree with your statement, but I'd like to ensure the correct officers are identified and disciplined.

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by ape4 »

lordnacho wrote: post #5

Why do I not see more drones in the protest videos? You'd think that would be a safe way to film things, plus it's a little harder to confiscate than your phone.

They can't fly for very long. I just looked it up. Longest time is an Autel Robotics EVO Drone with 30 minutes.

https://filmora.wondershare.com/drones/drones-with-longest-f...

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by leetcrew »

lordnacho wrote: post #5

Why do I not see more drones in the protest videos? You'd think that would be a safe way to film things, plus it's a little harder to confiscate than your phone.

for one thing, it's almost certainly illegal to fly a drone in this circumstance. it's over a large crowd of people and could also be construed as "interfering with emergency services". knowing what can happen to people who are making legal recordings, I'd hate to be the odd one out who's actually recording illegally.

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Post by afturner »

dmurray wrote: post #21
xapata wrote: post #3

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