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How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by dmurray »

xapata wrote: post #3
tmsh wrote: post #2

Can I just say - the sources for good, actionable news are sometimes the strangest of places these days. I've started just reading: http://reddit.com/r/news instead of newspaper websites and it's nice - some affiliate tv news stations (the Minneapolis newspapers...not so much) or student newspapers (I see you Crimson reporting on the anthropology department) are getting it done and sometimes more consistently than ma…

Teen Vogue has been surprisingly adult in a time when adults ... aren't.

It's also very reasonable with ads. For me the page has 3 or 4 ads that interrupt the content, but don't masquerade as content, and they're all for other brands owned by the same publisher (so hopefully not on a third-party ad network). If all sites were like that I wouldn't feel the need for an adblocker.

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by michaelt »

roenxi wrote: post #20
samdamsamm wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tonight I witnessed a young girl get knocked out cold by a tear gas canister shot into her face from about a 40 ft. range. She was holding her hands up. There was nothing but peaceful protesters standing around, not blocking traffic. No vandalism anywhere in sight. This was in Louisville, KY. The police fired rubber bullets at the group of people carrying her away to a place on the other side of the line of humvees b…

> Everything most middle-income Americans think about our police forces is wrong. That statement is a bit vague, everyone is going to substitute their own interpretation in. The police don't target racial minorities because they are racist. People who want power over others sign up for policing - and then go after groups who have the least ability to fight back. The middle income might know the symptoms, but they are…

> inescapable structural pressure

I agree it's a severe problem, but I don't agree it's inescapable.

It's a job that attracts brutal people only because it's a job that lets them get away with brutality. If the cycle of allowing brutality and attracting brutes could be broken, there's a good chance it'd stay broken.

The police fraternity knows all about getting other cops to fall into line - just look at the "blue wall of silence" and police union "get out of jail free" cards. That same pressure couldn't be applied against brutality.

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by zodiac »

StellarTabi wrote: post #11

It's always ethical to film police misconduct, in fact what's unethical is that they're not already filming themselves. Safety is important, protesters (and even journalists...) have been livestreaming themselves innocently doing nothing (in contrast to other media's hyper-focusing on "looting") then getting shot with rubber bullets. One of them reportedly has permanent blindness in the left eye as a result. Police b…

I know it's a weird choice of words, but I think the headline uses "ethical" to refer to "non-interfering" (e.g. see section 2 of the article)

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by [deleted] »

michaelt wrote: post #22
roenxi wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Everything most middle-income Americans think about our police forces is wrong. That statement is a bit vague, everyone is going to substitute their own interpretation in. The police don't target racial minorities because they are racist. People who want power over others sign up for policing - and then go after groups who have the least ability to fight back. The middle income might know the symptoms, but they are…

> inescapable structural pressure I agree it's a severe problem, but I don't agree it's inescapable. It's a job that attracts brutal people only because it's a job that lets them get away with brutality. If the cycle of allowing brutality and attracting brutes could be broken, there's a good chance it'd stay broken. The police fraternity knows all about getting other cops to fall into line - just look at the "blue wa…

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Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by jagged-chisel »

dessant wrote: post #17
samdamsamm wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tonight I witnessed a young girl get knocked out cold by a tear gas canister shot into her face from about a 40 ft. range. She was holding her hands up. There was nothing but peaceful protesters standing around, not blocking traffic. No vandalism anywhere in sight. This was in Louisville, KY. The police fired rubber bullets at the group of people carrying her away to a place on the other side of the line of humvees b…

You don't even need to leave your porch to get shot. Police and National Guard are patrolling neighborhoods and shooting civilians with paint canisters on their own property in Minneapolis. In one case they yelled "Light 'em up!" before starting to shoot [1] with ammunition that could blind people. It's legal to be outside your house during the curfew in Minneapolis [2]. > Can I be outside my house (on my property) a…

> shooting civilians with paint canisters on their own property

Even if it weren't legal to be outside on your own property from 8p-6a, this isn't proper enforcement of the law.

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by chillax »

watwut wrote: post #10
lordnacho wrote: post #5

Why do I not see more drones in the protest videos? You'd think that would be a safe way to film things, plus it's a little harder to confiscate than your phone.

If you flight drone over protest and something hit the drone or you crash the drone, the drone will fall on people under it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hornet_Nano

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by terramex »

tmsh wrote: post #2

Can I just say - the sources for good, actionable news are sometimes the strangest of places these days. I've started just reading: http://reddit.com/r/news instead of newspaper websites and it's nice - some affiliate tv news stations (the Minneapolis newspapers...not so much) or student newspapers (I see you Crimson reporting on the anthropology department) are getting it done and sometimes more consistently than ma…

I use https://legiblenews.com to keep up with most important things happening in the world.

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by watwut »

ncmncm wrote: post #19
watwut wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you flight drone over protest and something hit the drone or you crash the drone, the drone will fall on people under it.

Useful drones can be very light, and much less dangerous to people than, e.g., a tear-gas canister.

I don't recommend throwing tear-gas canister either.

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by watwut »

chillax wrote: post #26
watwut wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you flight drone over protest and something hit the drone or you crash the drone, the drone will fall on people under it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hornet_Nano

The "why do I not see more $40,000 nano drones in the protest videos" question would be fundamentally dumb one. It is charitable to assume that parent asked about affordable visible drones.

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by praptak »

roenxi wrote: post #20
samdamsamm wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tonight I witnessed a young girl get knocked out cold by a tear gas canister shot into her face from about a 40 ft. range. She was holding her hands up. There was nothing but peaceful protesters standing around, not blocking traffic. No vandalism anywhere in sight. This was in Louisville, KY. The police fired rubber bullets at the group of people carrying her away to a place on the other side of the line of humvees b…

> Everything most middle-income Americans think about our police forces is wrong. That statement is a bit vague, everyone is going to substitute their own interpretation in. The police don't target racial minorities because they are racist. People who want power over others sign up for policing - and then go after groups who have the least ability to fight back. The middle income might know the symptoms, but they are…

"If you give the police unaccountable power to fight the criminals, the people who'd otherwise become criminals will join the police."
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