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Re: US customs and border protection is flying a surveillance drone over Minneapolis

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Post by nicwolff »

virmundi wrote: post #191
ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it funny that we expect black Americans to peacefully protest. "Please use this system of peaceful protest that hasn't worked for you since forever." LA was 92, we're almost 30 years to the year. Has anything changed? Do you tell HK protestors to write a letter to the CCP instead? It's such a double-standard.

Have the blacks voted out those in power and positions to change things? Nope. Democrats all the way. Hell, Biden said if you’re black and you vote anything other than Democrat, you ain’t black.

No, he didn't. He said "If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black."

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Post by ianleeclark »

panzagl wrote: post #244
ianleeclark wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But let's be real, we saw a 182 unit multi story low income housing unit burn down to ash (the blaze was enormous). This was a housing development that had some low-income units, but the majority were "market-price."

Oh, well that's ok then.

Glad we've come to an understanding.

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Post by NegativeLatency »

Alupis wrote: post #248
beambot wrote: post #32

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Where do you draw the distinction between a drone (presumably unarmed) vs a police helicopter?

I think we first need to determine what is upsetting about this, specifically. Is it that they are flying a UAV that was originally designed for military use? Or is it that they are flying a UAV period? What if it was a new UAV, designed just for law enforcement? No problems then? Presumably this UAV has no weapons on it, so I'm unsure what the problem could be unless we just flat oppose former military equipment bei…

The military industrial police state

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Post by pm90 »

remarkEon wrote: post #250
testbot123 wrote: post #213

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You're failing to understand that the ordered system of justice that you're prescribing only works for a small portion of (wealthy, powerful) American society, because the processes of that order are intertwined with a systematic, institutionalized effort to deprive minorities of rights. People are fed up with trying to work inside of a system that barely considers them human.

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Post by koheripbal »

Alupis wrote: post #248
beambot wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do you draw the distinction between a drone (presumably unarmed) vs a police helicopter?

I think we first need to determine what is upsetting about this, specifically. Is it that they are flying a UAV that was originally designed for military use? Or is it that they are flying a UAV period? What if it was a new UAV, designed just for law enforcement? No problems then? Presumably this UAV has no weapons on it, so I'm unsure what the problem could be unless we just flat oppose former military equipment bei…

I think you are expecting logical reasoning from a group of people who are acting emotionally.

any form of government law enforcement personnel or equipment is drawing anger - regardless of form, function, or origin.

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Post by blackrock »

Are they going to launch a hellfire missile on these innocent unarmed black Americans too?

These people are poor, and are just afraid of getting killed and oppressed, by the predatory capitalistic and systemically racist American system.

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Post by patagurbon »

virmundi wrote: post #191
ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it funny that we expect black Americans to peacefully protest. "Please use this system of peaceful protest that hasn't worked for you since forever." LA was 92, we're almost 30 years to the year. Has anything changed? Do you tell HK protestors to write a letter to the CCP instead? It's such a double-standard.

Have the blacks voted out those in power and positions to change things? Nope. Democrats all the way. Hell, Biden said if you’re black and you vote anything other than Democrat, you ain’t black.

It's hardly fair to ask a minority to simply vote out their oppressors, they're a minority...

For political parties it's a real stretch to blame the Democrats. There's a reason the black vote is heavily Democratic, because their programs actually do help minority communities. But it's difficult to do with a majority Republican Congress for most of two decades and a majority "conservative" SCOTUS.

Now Democrats are far from perfect. But they are at least better than the alternatives.

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Post by pasquinelli »

mythrwy wrote: post #127
mythrwy wrote: post #108

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More like "god save common sense and basic human decency" WTF is the matter with people?

May you never experience having your livelihood burnt down because of an unrelated issue. It seriously blows my mind anyone does think this is justified or supports it. That is way beyond reason, even from an understandably aggrieved point of view.

I'm not in favor of burning and looting, but i'm not convinced it wasn't kicked off by the cops, gladio style. If we ever found that out, it won't be for decades, at which point anyone who talks about it becomes a crackpot going on about ancient history.

Once burning and looting starts, well it's like fire, or panic buying.

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

daeken wrote: post #82
joshmn wrote: post #79

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What I don't understand is why many of these small businesses — which have items of value to many people — were targeted. To me, that's burning to burn, damaging to damage, and looting to loot. https://www.startribune.com/these-minneapolis-st-paul-buildi... This is my home. I visit many of these businesses. I do business with two owners on that list. There are groups of people out here who, yes, are looting to loot a…

To some extent, they were burned/looted/otherwise harmed because they were there. But on the other hand, you have things like this experimental Target whose whole purpose in that (very impoverished) neighborhood was to develop new LP techniques, aimed at putting more people of color in prison: https://twitter.com/IanColdwater/status/1265867904844693505 Target is complicit in this systemic disease; I have zero sympath…

I will admit that I had to re-read this argument. Are you suggesting that Target is racist, because it employs loss prevention tactics? I will admit that this is an odd conversation for me. In a sense, it feels almost as alien as a guy telling me that I owe him reperations by virtue of being in US.

Could you elaborate more? It is possible, I am not getting this.

Re: US customs and border protection is flying a surveillance drone over Minneapolis

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Post by vmchale »

pm90 wrote: post #22

This was very predictable. Tools invented for military operations abroad eventually, predictably find their way back domestically. Despite that, its a dangerous thing to happen. I am aware of how unlikely it is for the current US Government to use the drone offensively, but once you have a massive fleet of drones flying over the US, patrolling "troubling" neighborhoods constantly, the temptation to use those abilitie…

Also nuts that CBP is the one doing it.
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