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raxxorrax wrote: post #667
Traster wrote: post #642

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You're arguing this as if the censorship you're talking about has actually happened to anyone ever. We're literally talking about Alex Jones because he's the most extreme example, but actually the opposite is true. We have Alex Jones as a great demonstration of the most objectionable person on the internet. Is he censored? I don't know, I suggest you ask him here: www.infowars.com or listen to one of his 6 podcasts a…

Of course it is censorship to remove someone because of the content they create. Plain and simple. And no, he isn't the only one by far. He was just the notorious one to sell people the practice of content controls on platforms. Since then many content creators have either been removed or demonetized. Nothing controversial will ever find a home on Youtube as a consequence. You will just get the most benign shit you w…

It's censorship to stop someone saying something, not to stop them saying something on your property. The New York Times isn't censoring me by choosing not to publish my incoherent ramblings on their front page.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by leereeves »

Traster wrote: post #668
leereeves wrote: post #666

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> You're arguing this as if the censorship you're talking about has actually happened to anyone ever. It has happened. When Gab tried to compete with Twitter, Apple and Google banned their app. Payment processors have banned controversial sites like Wikileaks too.

You can download the Gab android app here: https://apps.gab.com/application/5d3f982c9dd49a5b1d9fc881 Or visit gab.ai on your Chrome browser. Wikileaks explains the 5 different ways you can donate to them here: https://shop.wikileaks.org/donate Including about 75 different cryptocurrencies

It's still censorship if a school library bans a book even if you can still buy it from Amazon. The existence of alternatives doesn't mean censorship hasn't happened.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by fareesh »

carapace wrote: post #499
fareesh wrote: post #413

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Jones is no more ridiculous or dangerous than your average holy book though. Furthermore his vision of the future is coming true by being sympathetic to the idea of an all-powerful tech platform.

He was bragging the other day about eating his neighbors.

Ezekiel 5:10

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by CathedralBorrow »

creato wrote: post #268
slg wrote: post #258

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When you talk to most cisgender people, two of the biggest transgender issues they mention are sports and bathrooms. Meanwhile when transgender people are allowed to choose what sport to compete in or what bathroom to choose, there have been very few problems from them. It seems to me that lots of people just fundamentally believe that transgender people are wrong, gross, or whatever derogatory term you want to use a…

What if the reality is that transgender people already have a reasonable set of rights in our society? If the front line of the battle is people being assholes about pronouns and transgender women competing in combat sports... maybe the war is won?

I dont know, I'd say the front line of the battle is things like transgender persons having 9x the suicide rate of the general population. Is that a war that looks won to you?

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by CathedralBorrow »

raxxorrax wrote: post #667
Traster wrote: post #642

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're arguing this as if the censorship you're talking about has actually happened to anyone ever. We're literally talking about Alex Jones because he's the most extreme example, but actually the opposite is true. We have Alex Jones as a great demonstration of the most objectionable person on the internet. Is he censored? I don't know, I suggest you ask him here: www.infowars.com or listen to one of his 6 podcasts a…

Of course it is censorship to remove someone because of the content they create. Plain and simple. And no, he isn't the only one by far. He was just the notorious one to sell people the practice of content controls on platforms. Since then many content creators have either been removed or demonetized. Nothing controversial will ever find a home on Youtube as a consequence. You will just get the most benign shit you w…

Where are you drawing that line, I'm really curious. Can you put me live on Zoom in your house so I can talk about things I like? If not, are you participating in censorship?

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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dang wrote: post #490
lawnchair_larry wrote: post #488

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How is that even remotely inflammatory? It’s the truth.

Those two things are compatible. Why wouldn't they be? If you know some truth that others don't, you have more responsibility, not less, to express it in a way that isn't inflammatory. Otherwise you just end up discrediting the truth, because you give the people who don't know it an excellent reason to resist and reject what you're saying. (I don't mean you personally, of course. We all do it.) Previous comments on t…

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Post by willis936 »

chroma wrote: post #509
willis936 wrote: post #446

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You know who else breaks norms? Alex Jones when he peddles lies and threatens lives for profit. He needs to play by society’s rules if he wants to play by society’s rules. You can’t just pick and choose which norms you’re entitled to. That’s called being an asshole and 10 times out of 10 you will be shown the door. There’s a reason no one cried over him getting the boot. It isn’t an indication of some chilling dystop…

I don't think you understand the point I'm trying to make. I don't care about Alex Jones. I care about collateral damage: Deleting "communist bandits" comments.[1] Banning the Podcast Addict app.[2] Banning other apps.[3][4] I didn't have to look very hard to find these examples. There are certainly dozens more if one cares to delve into the issue. There are people who we don't know about who are currently having the…

> Alex Jones is a rounding error

I will not support any legislation that needlessly endangers individuals. Society needs to protect people. You don’t need everyone to go through a tragedy before a society is illegitimate, just anyone.

I can’t speak for the latter three threads, but I was active in the first one, arguing the same position.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23223990

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Post by afiori »

tcberry wrote: post #579
socratesque wrote: post #537

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Respectfully, I understand you have good intent trying to stand up for a marginalized group, but you're being very ignorant. You can't just helicopter in, show no interest in understanding the situation, then cherry-pick something to spew off some unwarranted opinions about before helicoptering out again. While that singular sentence is absolutely insensitive, the context absolutely matters if you're going to judge t…

And I appreciate that you are not trying to impute ill intent on me, although you may be underestimating my proximity to the transgender community personally. From my reading of the longer-form quotes – those that I have based my opinion on, I really don't think the context helps Rogan out all that much. "Look, [Fox is] huge! She's not just huge, she's got a fucking man's face. I mean, you can wear all the lipstick y…

I premise that your is a perfectly valid interpretation, he said the things your criticize him for saying.

I would disagree with calling this transphobic... On the topic of the statement "trans women are women" for example wikipedia notoriously offer an interesting position

Trans woman: A trans woman is a woman who was assigned male at birth.

Woman: A woman is a female human being.

This is not necessarily contradictory, but it as the effect that the statements "Trans women are women" and "Trans women are females" are linked together.

My assumption (which I believe you agree with, if you disagree with the next statement I would be interested in hearing your opinion on it) is that many people that (strongly) agree with "trans women are women" do not necessarily fully embrace "trans women are female"

I am not arguing for or against any of those statements (I am trying not to inject my opinions (if any) on them in this comment), but to me this says that the linguistic concept of woman is not intrinsically obvious in this phase of an evolving language.

In my opinion what Rogan says here is that in term of fighting he believe the only contextual concept of gender is similar to duck-typing: If you punch like a man, then you are a man.

Agree or disagree with that I believe it is (still) important to be able to express that concept without being transphobic, as in my opinion that would impede our ability to talk about the complex multidimesional bimodal distribution that is human sexuality.

What I am trying as hard as I am able to is to steel-man Rogan's position without straw-manning yours.

A short summary of what I am trying to say is that I believe that Rogan's position is not transphobic; maybe he is toxic, maybe he is poisoning the conversation with inflammatory language, maybe he is on the wrong side of history. And maybe he deserves being called transphobic for what he said; I am not trying to defend Joe Rogan the person, I am trying to find a small reasonable kernel of his position where I believe we can agree.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by [deleted] »

dang wrote: post #490
lawnchair_larry wrote: post #488

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is that even remotely inflammatory? It’s the truth.

Those two things are compatible. Why wouldn't they be? If you know some truth that others don't, you have more responsibility, not less, to express it in a way that isn't inflammatory. Otherwise you just end up discrediting the truth, because you give the people who don't know it an excellent reason to resist and reject what you're saying. (I don't mean you personally, of course. We all do it.) Previous comments on t…

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Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by afiori »

coding_lobster wrote: post #604
toofy wrote: post #595

Rogan’s claim to be doing this as message to Youtube is silly. He’s signing a contract to do a “podcast” with spotify where his “podcast” will not be a podcast at all. Podcasts are not platform specific. They’re open and distributed to any app which can read the RSS file. This is nothing but an act on his part to appeal to the outrage brigade. Re spotify, theyve been heavily ramping up their podcasts lately and doing…

I've never heard about the "podcast" quality being conditioned on platform availability.

It is likely not in the definition, but "Spotify-exclusive podcast" sounds a lot like "Chrome-only website".

They are podcasts and websites respectively, they just go against the effective spirit of the medium.

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