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Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by antientropic »

gerland wrote: post #596
GoofballJones wrote: post #283

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Alex Jones being kicked off those services isn't the same thing. He was spreading major misinformation and targeted harassment at innocent people that were involved in a tragedy. He wasn't "conspired" against. They just told him to go host his hate somewhere else. And stop with these "censorship" BS. Alex Jones has every right to start his own network if he wants and put anything on it. There's nothing stopping him f…

> Free speech doesn't mean everyone is forced to listen to that speech. You are completely right. Free speech does not mean that anyone will force you to listen to Alex Jones or any other nutjob. It means that AJ will have the right to speak and you can ignore him. From the top of my head, let me just list a few of the poeople that were considered crazy and could not initialy find a platform to express their ideas: C…

When were Einstein or Curie ever considered crazy or deplatformed?

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Post by kelnos »

gerland wrote: post #596
GoofballJones wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alex Jones being kicked off those services isn't the same thing. He was spreading major misinformation and targeted harassment at innocent people that were involved in a tragedy. He wasn't "conspired" against. They just told him to go host his hate somewhere else. And stop with these "censorship" BS. Alex Jones has every right to start his own network if he wants and put anything on it. There's nothing stopping him f…

> Free speech doesn't mean everyone is forced to listen to that speech. You are completely right. Free speech does not mean that anyone will force you to listen to Alex Jones or any other nutjob. It means that AJ will have the right to speak and you can ignore him. From the top of my head, let me just list a few of the poeople that were considered crazy and could not initialy find a platform to express their ideas: C…

You're drawing a false equivalency, and even contradicting yourself. Alex Jones is no Einstein. And it sucks that those people initially had trouble spreading their ideas, but clearly they were able to do so, otherwise we wouldn't know about them. Sounds like the system functioning decently well, perhaps with some initial hiccups.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by afiori »

rorykoehler wrote: post #603
lawnchair_larry wrote: post #477

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Nonsense. Nobody cares about the fact that he is willing to have a conversation with just about anyone, except the whiny cancel culture twitter mob. We need more conversations with people we don’t (think we) like.

His conversations are like empty calories. No substance. No hard questions. 100% ego stroking. His podcast is basically an advertorial. It’s painful to watch.

His podcast is about getting to know the guests, it is not meant to be an adversarial interview.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by seumars »

paulgb wrote: post #63
slg wrote: post #61

I don't listen to his show, but as a general podcast fan this is sad. This isn't the first podcast to move away from having a free and open feed of the show, but it is certainly the biggest and it opens the doors for a lot more exclusivity deals in the future.

Agreed. I don't think people appreciate how unique podcasting is as a distribution medium in that it has lasted so long as a completely open ecosystem. Nobody needs anyone's permission to write a podcasting app or launch a new podcast. Sad to see that start to change, but I'm also kind of optimistic for one reason: there's just so damned much audio content out there that it is people's attention, not audio content, t…

>...it has lasted so long as a completely open ecosystem

It's the platforms that have contributed to the podcast boom of recent years, not the "open ecosystem". Anyone can start a website and upload recorded audio, which may be the reason nobody uses RSS seriously anymore because "curated" content is the new norm.

The JRE podcast has been around for ages, and it built up an audience on YouTube because that has has been the dominating media platform for more than a decade. Now Spotify is investing heavily in big names like Gimlet and now JRE, which will help it become the next dominating platform for this decade.

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Post by CathedralBorrow »

chroma wrote: post #410
GoofballJones wrote: post #283

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Alex Jones being kicked off those services isn't the same thing. He was spreading major misinformation and targeted harassment at innocent people that were involved in a tragedy. He wasn't "conspired" against. They just told him to go host his hate somewhere else. And stop with these "censorship" BS. Alex Jones has every right to start his own network if he wants and put anything on it. There's nothing stopping him f…

You are conflating two forms of free speech: The right to freedom of speech enshrined in the constitution and the norm of free speech that we all tend to grant each other. Of course YouTube is a private company and can ban and delete whatever they want. But they are breaking a norm and the consequences of that may be worse than the consequences of letting us watch videos of crazy people. I've said it before and I'll…

> And we all end up worse off.

That's a bold and simple claim about complex interactions. Can you support this position at all or is it more like a conviction you have?

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Post by leereeves »

Traster wrote: post #642
bitwize wrote: post #564

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And when upstream service providers cut him off, he can start his own one of those. When payment processors close all his accounts, he can start one of those. Remember, kids, censorship refers to the government and only the government. Stray far enough onto the wrong side of history, and society may voluntarily decide you're an asshole and show you the door. And that'll be on you.

You're arguing this as if the censorship you're talking about has actually happened to anyone ever. We're literally talking about Alex Jones because he's the most extreme example, but actually the opposite is true. We have Alex Jones as a great demonstration of the most objectionable person on the internet. Is he censored? I don't know, I suggest you ask him here: www.infowars.com or listen to one of his 6 podcasts a…

> You're arguing this as if the censorship you're talking about has actually happened to anyone ever.

It has happened.

When Gab tried to compete with Twitter, Apple and Google banned their app.

Payment processors have banned controversial sites like Wikileaks too.

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Post by raxxorrax »

Traster wrote: post #642
bitwize wrote: post #564

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And when upstream service providers cut him off, he can start his own one of those. When payment processors close all his accounts, he can start one of those. Remember, kids, censorship refers to the government and only the government. Stray far enough onto the wrong side of history, and society may voluntarily decide you're an asshole and show you the door. And that'll be on you.

You're arguing this as if the censorship you're talking about has actually happened to anyone ever. We're literally talking about Alex Jones because he's the most extreme example, but actually the opposite is true. We have Alex Jones as a great demonstration of the most objectionable person on the internet. Is he censored? I don't know, I suggest you ask him here: www.infowars.com or listen to one of his 6 podcasts a…

Of course it is censorship to remove someone because of the content they create. Plain and simple.

And no, he isn't the only one by far. He was just the notorious one to sell people the practice of content controls on platforms. Since then many content creators have either been removed or demonetized.

Nothing controversial will ever find a home on Youtube as a consequence. You will just get the most benign shit you will get on TV if trends fortify themselves.

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Post by Traster »

leereeves wrote: post #666
Traster wrote: post #642

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're arguing this as if the censorship you're talking about has actually happened to anyone ever. We're literally talking about Alex Jones because he's the most extreme example, but actually the opposite is true. We have Alex Jones as a great demonstration of the most objectionable person on the internet. Is he censored? I don't know, I suggest you ask him here: www.infowars.com or listen to one of his 6 podcasts a…

> You're arguing this as if the censorship you're talking about has actually happened to anyone ever. It has happened. When Gab tried to compete with Twitter, Apple and Google banned their app. Payment processors have banned controversial sites like Wikileaks too.

You can download the Gab android app here: https://apps.gab.com/application/5d3f982c9dd49a5b1d9fc881

Or visit gab.ai on your Chrome browser.

Wikileaks explains the 5 different ways you can donate to them here: https://shop.wikileaks.org/donate

Including about 75 different cryptocurrencies

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Post by [deleted] »

Traster wrote: post #668
leereeves wrote: post #666

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You're arguing this as if the censorship you're talking about has actually happened to anyone ever. It has happened. When Gab tried to compete with Twitter, Apple and Google banned their app. Payment processors have banned controversial sites like Wikileaks too.

You can download the Gab android app here: https://apps.gab.com/application/5d3f982c9dd49a5b1d9fc881 Or visit gab.ai on your Chrome browser. Wikileaks explains the 5 different ways you can donate to them here: https://shop.wikileaks.org/donate Including about 75 different cryptocurrencies

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Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by willis936 »

cameronbrown wrote: post #653
chroma wrote: post #575

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I have a neighbor who has a "Queers Hate Techies" sticker on his car. I don't like it, but I don't want him banned from YouTube or Twitter or wherever he's saying crazy stuff.

If you had a sticker saying the exact opposite - would you expect to get banned?

There’s this strange thing that often happens online, where it is implied that the people who promote tolerance don’t do so in an equitable fashion.

You’ll be surprised, then, when the answer to your question is “yes”.

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