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Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by st1ck »

wooger wrote: post #632

Regardless of what you think of Rogan ,this is horrible news for podcasts and independent internet culture in general. Podcasts can easily be entirely free of platforms, networks, editorial control and reliance on advertising, and many of them still are. I hope that at some point we can stop calling anything that doesn't have an rss/atom feed pointing to audio files a podcast, as they don't deserve that name. I've al…

OTOH it's kinda good news for podcasters, because it frees up a spot in the itunes top.

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Post by Traster »

bitwize wrote: post #564
GoofballJones wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alex Jones being kicked off those services isn't the same thing. He was spreading major misinformation and targeted harassment at innocent people that were involved in a tragedy. He wasn't "conspired" against. They just told him to go host his hate somewhere else. And stop with these "censorship" BS. Alex Jones has every right to start his own network if he wants and put anything on it. There's nothing stopping him f…

And when upstream service providers cut him off, he can start his own one of those. When payment processors close all his accounts, he can start one of those. Remember, kids, censorship refers to the government and only the government. Stray far enough onto the wrong side of history, and society may voluntarily decide you're an asshole and show you the door. And that'll be on you.

You're arguing this as if the censorship you're talking about has actually happened to anyone ever. We're literally talking about Alex Jones because he's the most extreme example, but actually the opposite is true. We have Alex Jones as a great demonstration of the most objectionable person on the internet. Is he censored?

I don't know, I suggest you ask him here: www.infowars.com or listen to one of his 6 podcasts a week, or subscribe to his newsletter, or buy his Tubo Force tablets in his shop, or download his app, or his soundcloud, or his reddit account, or his Gab account, or his Telegram account, or on liveleak.

The fact of the matter is that Alex Jones has more ability to braodcast his speech to people around the world than any single individual who was living before 1980.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by confusedpikachu »

tcberry wrote: post #579
socratesque wrote: post #537

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Respectfully, I understand you have good intent trying to stand up for a marginalized group, but you're being very ignorant. You can't just helicopter in, show no interest in understanding the situation, then cherry-pick something to spew off some unwarranted opinions about before helicoptering out again. While that singular sentence is absolutely insensitive, the context absolutely matters if you're going to judge t…

And I appreciate that you are not trying to impute ill intent on me, although you may be underestimating my proximity to the transgender community personally. From my reading of the longer-form quotes – those that I have based my opinion on, I really don't think the context helps Rogan out all that much. "Look, [Fox is] huge! She's not just huge, she's got a fucking man's face. I mean, you can wear all the lipstick y…

I had to create an account just to comment as I’m confused. Not that it should matter but you seem to know more about Joe Rogan than me, I really only watched the Bernie Sanders episode in full and then brushed over a few others to quickly decide his style wasn’t for me, but reading what you have just quoted here, what exactly is your issue? His poor choice of words?

I don’t know who Fox is and this is the first I hear about transgender fighters but it sounds like a no brainer that a transgender shouldn’t be allowed to fight as a woman as in this case the woman physically, isn’t really a woman, so are you arguing that the transgender woman is really a woman, physically? Because if you are then they should be allowed to fight other woman.

Rogan is putting this clear on his argument, Fox was a man and is carrying over their physical strength to a gendered sport with different gender and weight classes, no 200lb fighter can go fight a 100lb fighter as they would have a clear advantage, you can’t call the 200lb fighter a transweighter if they identify as a slim 100lb fighter, when they actually weight 200lb, and you must allow others to call them what they physically weight, 200lb.

I don’t think you get to separate the subject of the matter from the context of the discussion, and in the context you quoted above I don’t see an issue with anyone saying Fox is physically a man or not really a woman.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by alwayseasy »

aaron695 wrote: post #600
virvar wrote: post #594

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I always found America’s grips on these things a tad weird. In my country you’re accountable to print the truth, and if you don’t, it comes with fines or even prison time. Because lying to the public is dangerous. That hasn’t stopped opinion pieces, but it has stopped media outlets from printing things like “the earth is flat” or “drinking bleach cures covid”. Unfortunately this is yet to apply to social media stars,…

So you ban churchs? Killed maybe billions over the past 100,000 years. They also provide comfort and help to billions through their lies. Hard to ever know what their total effect has been. But still lies. Or is your religion ok and 'normal', but thinking the world is flat not?

Countries that ask media to print the truth certainly go after religious sects that financially/morally exploit their worshipers. Every time there are threads than mention free speech, it's as if political science and those millennial old problems were new to hn.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by _petronius »

bitwize wrote: post #564
GoofballJones wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alex Jones being kicked off those services isn't the same thing. He was spreading major misinformation and targeted harassment at innocent people that were involved in a tragedy. He wasn't "conspired" against. They just told him to go host his hate somewhere else. And stop with these "censorship" BS. Alex Jones has every right to start his own network if he wants and put anything on it. There's nothing stopping him f…

And when upstream service providers cut him off, he can start his own one of those. When payment processors close all his accounts, he can start one of those. Remember, kids, censorship refers to the government and only the government. Stray far enough onto the wrong side of history, and society may voluntarily decide you're an asshole and show you the door. And that'll be on you.

> society may voluntarily decide you're an asshole and show you the door

For all people who support the "marketplace of ideas" argument (which I don't, not least because there is fairly compelling research that documents why a marketplace is a bad metaphor for how ideas spread and damaging ideology takes hold) – wouldn't this be evidence that your idea is failing in said marketplace? Your comment seems to confuse a laissez-faire approach with supporting and subsidising anyone who comes along no matter how problematic their speech is.

Being anti-censorship is not the same being pro-megaphone: freedom of speech doesn't require giving everyone the widest possible audience with no restrictions.

(obligatory XKCD https://xkcd.com/1357/)

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by alwayseasy »

ravenstine wrote: post #171
paulgb wrote: post #141

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> Spotify was the one who conspired with Facebook, Apple and Google to ban Alex Jones and others Alex Jones has a right to free speech, but if he's going to claim Sandy Hook was a hoax causing grieving parents to be harassed, nobody owes it to him to give him a platform. He can pay his own hosting fees.

YouTube: You can pay your own hosting fees. Namecheap: Your users can find you at your IP address. AWS: You can run your own server hardware. Intel: You can build your own CPU. Electric Co.: You can generate your own electricity. VISA: You can take payments in cash. Hospital: You can use your own butterfly strips and an ibuprofen.

Mixing up commodities and services I see.

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Post by confusedpikachu »

HeadsUpHigh wrote: post #534
tcberry wrote: post #519

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Whether or not trans athletes should be allowed to compete in the same classes as their cis counterparts in MMA is a conversation we can have, but it is beside the point. Trans women are women. If someone makes plainly transphobic comments, and then refuses to apologize for them (or even doubles down), I'm not going to go and listen to hundreds of hours of their content to attempt to gain a more nuanced understanding…

>Whether or not trans athletes should be allowed to compete in the same classes as their cis counterparts in MMA is a conversation we can have Thats the conversation he was having. You don't have to listen to hours of content, just take it from people here telling you that that was the context of the discussion. Or don't and simply don't comment on the matter. You are not obliged to have an opinion on everything.

Thank you for writing this, I was freaking out here doubting my own common sense.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by cm2187 »

GoofballJones wrote: post #283
busymom0 wrote: post #122

I agree with JRE leaving YouTube over the censorship but I disagree with him moving exclusively to spotify for following reasons: 1. Spotify was the one who conspired with Facebook, Apple and Google to ban Alex Jones and others. So if Joe is moving off of YouTube because he doesn't like the censorship, he's not getting anything better with Spotify. 2. Currently, Spotify doesn't have video (except album cover clips wh…

Alex Jones being kicked off those services isn't the same thing. He was spreading major misinformation and targeted harassment at innocent people that were involved in a tragedy. He wasn't "conspired" against. They just told him to go host his hate somewhere else. And stop with these "censorship" BS. Alex Jones has every right to start his own network if he wants and put anything on it. There's nothing stopping him f…

So McCarthyism was ok then, where you couldn’t find any job in Hollywood if you had leftist views? Private companies free to enforce the ideology they want.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by confusedpikachu »

mattcaldwell wrote: post #394
CyberDildonics wrote: post #388

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I saw it live. I remember it being crystal clear that he was talking about the context of someone's physical attributes when they are fighting. Maybe you should actually listen to someone before you call what they say "transphobic and borderline hate speech".

I did listen and have watched it more than once. I understand the context, but at the very least, he's being a dick. And he shouldn't be surprised when his words are interpreted in that way. It's a vulnerable population and there are better ways to talk about sensitive issues like that.

“I did listen and have watched it more than once. I understand the context, but at the very least, he's being a dick. And he shouldn't be surprised when his words are interpreted in that way. It's a vulnerable population and there are better ways to talk about sensitive issues like that.”

Matt, I kindly ask you to revisit your thinking. Have a look at what happened in the UK with Corbyn and anti-semitism. You are threading some very, very dangerous water here and it seems like you lost your moral compass already.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by kelnos »

koheripbal wrote: post #571
bitwize wrote: post #564

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And when upstream service providers cut him off, he can start his own one of those. When payment processors close all his accounts, he can start one of those. Remember, kids, censorship refers to the government and only the government. Stray far enough onto the wrong side of history, and society may voluntarily decide you're an asshole and show you the door. And that'll be on you.

I hate Alex Jones, but I have to agree. There's a difference between being kicked out of a restaurant for being an ass, vs being kicked out of EVERY restaurant on Earth for the rest of your life - without due process. These online services aren't small mom/pop shops that you can just replace and patronize another. They are global near-monopolies that you cannot function without. Google isn't just my search provider -…

> I hate Alex Jones, but I have to agree. There's a difference between being kicked out of a restaurant for being an ass, vs being kicked out of EVERY restaurant on Earth for the rest of your life - without due process.

That's a bit of a straw man, no? Jones still has plenty of perfectly-functioning restaurants to visit, with quite extensive menus. If one of the biggest assholes on the internet still has a platform to spew his hate, I don't think we're in any danger of this dystopian society existing where people can be completely silenced based on the will of a few corporations.

> Google isn't just my search provider - they run my email, my internet connection, my cell service, my company's cloud repository, etc... They could destroy me at the drop of a hat.

That's a choice you've made, not a required state of being. There are plenty of other companies that provide search, email, internet service, cell service, cloud repos, etc. that are just as (if not more) functional and featureful.

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