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Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by stef25 »

GoofballJones wrote: post #283
busymom0 wrote: post #122

I agree with JRE leaving YouTube over the censorship but I disagree with him moving exclusively to spotify for following reasons: 1. Spotify was the one who conspired with Facebook, Apple and Google to ban Alex Jones and others. So if Joe is moving off of YouTube because he doesn't like the censorship, he's not getting anything better with Spotify. 2. Currently, Spotify doesn't have video (except album cover clips wh…

Alex Jones being kicked off those services isn't the same thing. He was spreading major misinformation and targeted harassment at innocent people that were involved in a tragedy. He wasn't "conspired" against. They just told him to go host his hate somewhere else. And stop with these "censorship" BS. Alex Jones has every right to start his own network if he wants and put anything on it. There's nothing stopping him f…

These platforms policing content surely was the beginning of the end, they're getting dragged in to every he-said-she-said fight you can think of and it puts them right smack in the middle of the great culture wars that are now raging online.

They should have just drawn the line at legality & calls to violence and everything else well ... deal with it. "We're a platform, not a publisher".

Naval Ravikant basically said this, on JRE.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by antonyh »

chasebank wrote: post #517
threeseed wrote: post #426

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But they are breaking a norm Media companies selectively choosing what to publish has been the norm since forever. My local paper won't publish libellous comments I may write against a particular person whom I hold grudge against. And my local TV station wouldn't show a pornographic commercial that I thought would be hilarious to see. Private media companies ultimately answer to their advertisers and most of them s…

It would be more in line with your local library refusing to catalog your book. Youtube is a content host, not a publisher.

YouTube looks a lot like a content publisher to me. It's a monitisation platform. It transcodes for devices. It indexes the content and makes search & discovery available.

Even the terminology is consistent with publisher - channel, subscriber, and so on.

If the content is explicitly uploaded to YT, then how is it not a publisher?

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by willis936 »

Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #525
jimhi wrote: post #507

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they are saying Alex Jones is responsible because his followers ended up stalking and harassing the victims parents. One could argue he never directly said to do that so it isn't his responsibility, but he also has a big platform.

So do you now expect content creators to be in direct responsibility for any stupid action that any of their self-identified fans do? That's just crazy, how do you even consider this a defensible view?

When you tell your fans to do it, yes. There’s a lawsuit about it. Look it up before grandstanding on false premises.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by virvar »

busymom0 wrote: post #122

I agree with JRE leaving YouTube over the censorship but I disagree with him moving exclusively to spotify for following reasons: 1. Spotify was the one who conspired with Facebook, Apple and Google to ban Alex Jones and others. So if Joe is moving off of YouTube because he doesn't like the censorship, he's not getting anything better with Spotify. 2. Currently, Spotify doesn't have video (except album cover clips wh…

I always found America’s grips on these things a tad weird. In my country you’re accountable to print the truth, and if you don’t, it comes with fines or even prison time. Because lying to the public is dangerous.

That hasn’t stopped opinion pieces, but it has stopped media outlets from printing things like “the earth is flat” or “drinking bleach cures covid”. Unfortunately this is yet to apply to social media stars, but when they have audiences larger than news papers I think they should frankly be under the same laws.

Yet in America you seem to put that sort of thing in the same box as Chinese censorship. Which is really just so strange to me. Do you really think you can have a functioning democracy when people live in completely different bubbles of subjective truth?

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by toofy »

Rogan’s claim to be doing this as message to Youtube is silly. He’s signing a contract to do a “podcast” with spotify where his “podcast” will not be a podcast at all. Podcasts are not platform specific. They’re open and distributed to any app which can read the RSS file.

This is nothing but an act on his part to appeal to the outrage brigade.

Re spotify, theyve been heavily ramping up their podcasts lately and doing exclusive/semi-exclusive content all over the place. If you care about the health of our podcast ecosystem, fight this any way you can–podcasts need to remain open. Our current trajectory is a straight line path to paying for podcasts which will have forced ads to go along with paying for them. That’s the road we’re on.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by gerland »

GoofballJones wrote: post #283
busymom0 wrote: post #122

I agree with JRE leaving YouTube over the censorship but I disagree with him moving exclusively to spotify for following reasons: 1. Spotify was the one who conspired with Facebook, Apple and Google to ban Alex Jones and others. So if Joe is moving off of YouTube because he doesn't like the censorship, he's not getting anything better with Spotify. 2. Currently, Spotify doesn't have video (except album cover clips wh…

Alex Jones being kicked off those services isn't the same thing. He was spreading major misinformation and targeted harassment at innocent people that were involved in a tragedy. He wasn't "conspired" against. They just told him to go host his hate somewhere else. And stop with these "censorship" BS. Alex Jones has every right to start his own network if he wants and put anything on it. There's nothing stopping him f…

> Free speech doesn't mean everyone is forced to listen to that speech.

You are completely right. Free speech does not mean that anyone will force you to listen to Alex Jones or any other nutjob. It means that AJ will have the right to speak and you can ignore him.

From the top of my head, let me just list a few of the poeople that were considered crazy and could not initialy find a platform to express their ideas:

Clair Patterson E. Cuyler Hammond Albert Einstein Marie Curie Sklodowska Nikola Tesla

You get my point?

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by isoskeles »

willis936 wrote: post #593
Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #525

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So do you now expect content creators to be in direct responsibility for any stupid action that any of their self-identified fans do? That's just crazy, how do you even consider this a defensible view?

When you tell your fans to do it, yes. There’s a lawsuit about it. Look it up before grandstanding on false premises.

Can you post a quote in which Alex Jones told his followers to threaten the lives of these people? Looks like the lawsuit was only about defamation, not Alex Jones directing people who listen to him to make death threats.

I’m not trying to make some gotcha argument that you can cause your followers to make death threats and therefore you had no part. I’m making the case that Alex Jones is an idiot who says things about water turning the frogs gay, and under no reasonable interpretation of his actions or beliefs can I see that he intended to cause death threats to occur.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by [deleted] »

bvandewalle wrote: post #470
paulgb wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. I don't think people appreciate how unique podcasting is as a distribution medium in that it has lasted so long as a completely open ecosystem. Nobody needs anyone's permission to write a podcasting app or launch a new podcast. Sad to see that start to change, but I'm also kind of optimistic for one reason: there's just so damned much audio content out there that it is people's attention, not audio content, t…

It feels like this became the life-cycle of Internet. The same thing happened with decentralized websites and blogs.then everyone got attracted by the managed platforms and now the web is more centralized than ever.

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Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by aww_dang »

Spotify always asks me to sign in or tells me that I can't listen to embedded media in a given country. I've never successfully played any media they've hosted.

Easier and simpler to download or stream elsewhere with no signup or red tape.

I suspect this is more about the money for Rogan. His content isn't essential for me. He often has contradictory takes as he seeks to placate his guests. That's fine for his particular interview format, but his inconsistency combined with censorship grandstanding and an exclusive contract strikes me as opportunist.

He's never been known as someone who speaks truth to power. If anything he's a conformist who wears his derision of conformism on his shirtsleeves. Feels like this is mostly to placate his audience.

Good on him, I hope he continues to earn money with his brand.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by aaron695 »

virvar wrote: post #594
busymom0 wrote: post #122

I agree with JRE leaving YouTube over the censorship but I disagree with him moving exclusively to spotify for following reasons: 1. Spotify was the one who conspired with Facebook, Apple and Google to ban Alex Jones and others. So if Joe is moving off of YouTube because he doesn't like the censorship, he's not getting anything better with Spotify. 2. Currently, Spotify doesn't have video (except album cover clips wh…

I always found America’s grips on these things a tad weird. In my country you’re accountable to print the truth, and if you don’t, it comes with fines or even prison time. Because lying to the public is dangerous. That hasn’t stopped opinion pieces, but it has stopped media outlets from printing things like “the earth is flat” or “drinking bleach cures covid”. Unfortunately this is yet to apply to social media stars,…

So you ban churchs?

Killed maybe billions over the past 100,000 years.

They also provide comfort and help to billions through their lies. Hard to ever know what their total effect has been. But still lies.

Or is your religion ok and 'normal', but thinking the world is flat not?

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