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Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by mwfunk »

Reedx wrote: post #209
jhamilton wrote: post #140

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I don't see how 1 is an issue when Alex Jones et al were deliberately spreading hateful misinformation. Aiming to CYA by booting someone off of a private platform and others following suit is not the same thing as "conspiring to censor" someone

It's not an issue if you happen to agree this time. Next time you might not. And then it's too late, you've made your bed.

That only makes sense if you consider someone like Alex Jones to be “just another person who happens to have different opinions about some things than some other people”. He never got shit from anyone for merely offering unpopular opinions, his history (and present) is much more complicated and fucked up than that. He’s definitely on a short list of people for whom humanity in general is worse off overall for having him in it. Like a negative contributor on a team who just makes work for other people, he’s a negative contributor in many, many ways for all of humanity, and not just from spreading transparent lies and obvious disinformation. He never got in trouble for simply saying something someone else disagreed with, he got in trouble for directly fucking with the lives of victims of horrible tragedies, over and over again.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by serf »

jaybeeayyy wrote: post #188
herostratus101 wrote: post #176

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We only burn the bad books!

Alex Jones said trans people murder babies with democrats for their blood...

one can be against censorship and against the message being censored.

in other words : don't assume those that defend people like Alex Jones are defending his opinions.

Many are defending his ability to transmit his message, regardless of the quality of that message, in the interest of preserving that ability for themselves and causes that they support.

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Post by hourislate »

pharke wrote: post #212
roenxi wrote: post #174

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He can't actually be leaving over censorship because if he was there is no way phrases like "exclusive multi-year" would be thrown around. Once burned twice shy. There might have been some tea-leaf reading involved that YouTube isn't a supportive platform these days but this move is probably linked to obscene amounts of money changing hands.

You have to keep in mind that Joe is a comedian first and foremost. Comedians have had the rug pulled out from under them with COVID-19. He's doing what's right for his family at the moment. I fully expect this to come up in one of his next episodes and since he's up front about this stuff it'll probably be summed up as "Sorry you fucks, a man's gotta eat!"

He made over $30 million last year on just his podcast. HE still gets checks every month for News Radio since it syndicated. He has several investments in several businesses. He works for the UFC. He has Netflix specials.

Some guess he is pulling in over 100 million a year. I'm sure he and his family are going to be ok.

I figure Jamie probably makes 1 million a year...

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Post by kojeovo »

slg wrote: post #246
jessaustin wrote: post #223

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Most people agree with Rogan that transgender women who have only recently started on female hormones should not hide that status from biologically female opponents in mixed martial arts. It isn't feminist for women's bodies to be brutalized by men's bodies.

You are not giving the full extent of his comments on transgender people. He is against women who transitioned as adults from competing against other women. He is also against people taking steps as a child to make transitioning easier as an adult such as taking completely reversible hormone blockers to delay puberty until they are old enough to transition. So he leaves no possible path for a transgender woman to com…

> It seems like he wants transgender people out of sports completely

I think this is something you're reading that's not quite there. He isn't sensitive to the topic, but I don't think he hates trans people.

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Post by free_rms »

slg wrote: post #258
free_rms wrote: post #247

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> In my opinion, the whole discussion of transgender people in sports is a proxy war for their role in society as a whole. There are a lot of people out there who care way more about sports than they do about the role of transgender people in society.

When you talk to most cisgender people, two of the biggest transgender issues they mention are sports and bathrooms. Meanwhile when transgender people are allowed to choose what sport to compete in or what bathroom to choose, there have been very few problems from them. It seems to me that lots of people just fundamentally believe that transgender people are wrong, gross, or whatever derogatory term you want to use a…

Have you ever been an athlete in a serious way? Honest question. If people who've competed or deeply cared about sports seem to all get hung up on this, maybe they're seeing something you're not?

Your two issues are issues because, even without any prejudice, there are physical differences that we have to handle and it's not easy to figure out how to be fair to all parties.

In the case we're talking about, for example, the trans women fractured a woman's skull. Broke her skull. Was the skull the problem here? Should it have been less breakable to match the rhetoric?

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Post by runawaybottle »

Sounds a little bit like when Howard Stern first signed a deal to move from terrestrial radio over to satellite radio.

If this brings in a lot more subscribers for top podcasts, then Spotify will do what SiriusXM did with radio hosts, or what Netflix did with comedy specials.

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Post by saagarjha »

jccalhoun wrote: post #113

If this was a podcast that I listened to, I would be mad. I want podcasts to be in my podcast app. I listen to them mostly on my phone and I don't have spotify on my phone. I don't want to install and open a separate program just for one show. It also irritates me off when I see a podcast mentioned online and they only give an itunes link. I am an android user. Yes, most of the shows are in pocketcast's directory if…

I'm mad and I don't even really listen to Joe Rogan. Podcasts should be open: they're just RSS!

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Post by creato »

slg wrote: post #258
free_rms wrote: post #247

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> In my opinion, the whole discussion of transgender people in sports is a proxy war for their role in society as a whole. There are a lot of people out there who care way more about sports than they do about the role of transgender people in society.

When you talk to most cisgender people, two of the biggest transgender issues they mention are sports and bathrooms. Meanwhile when transgender people are allowed to choose what sport to compete in or what bathroom to choose, there have been very few problems from them. It seems to me that lots of people just fundamentally believe that transgender people are wrong, gross, or whatever derogatory term you want to use a…

What if the reality is that transgender people already have a reasonable set of rights in our society?

If the front line of the battle is people being assholes about pronouns and transgender women competing in combat sports... maybe the war is won?

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Post by slg »

voz_ wrote: post #257
slg wrote: post #246

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You are not giving the full extent of his comments on transgender people. He is against women who transitioned as adults from competing against other women. He is also against people taking steps as a child to make transitioning easier as an adult such as taking completely reversible hormone blockers to delay puberty until they are old enough to transition. So he leaves no possible path for a transgender woman to com…

People born as men who transition to women, and I fully support them, have unfair advantages against people born as women. Would you agree with that statement? A better solution would be to allow a gender-agnostic bracket alongside women and men, where anyone can compete. To people downvoting me: Please use the upvote/downvote as marking my contribution relevant or irrelevant, not to mark disagreement. PS: I fully su…

The part of that first statement that I question is the "unfair" part. Almost all world class athletes are born with a natural gift that most of us don't have. Most of those athletes need to train and hone that gift over decades to be truly elite, but that natural gift is still present. No matter how many hours I train playing basketball and no matter how long Lebron James goes without touching a basketball, I am never going to beat him in a game of one-on-one. Is that "unfair" or is that just how sports work? I don't see birth gender as any different than that.

That said, I think it is reasonable to put certain restrictions on transgender athletes such as rules regarding hormone treatments. I am just not an expert enough in the field to say exactly what those restrictions should be.

Also we generally do have gender-agnostic brackets in sports. What we call men's sports are generally gender-agnostic. People of any gender are free to compete in them. The question for transgender athletes is almost always whether than can compete in women's sports.

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Post by 2019-nCoV »

slg wrote: post #258
free_rms wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In my opinion, the whole discussion of transgender people in sports is a proxy war for their role in society as a whole. There are a lot of people out there who care way more about sports than they do about the role of transgender people in society.

When you talk to most cisgender people, two of the biggest transgender issues they mention are sports and bathrooms. Meanwhile when transgender people are allowed to choose what sport to compete in or what bathroom to choose, there have been very few problems from them. It seems to me that lots of people just fundamentally believe that transgender people are wrong, gross, or whatever derogatory term you want to use a…

Some women are uncomfortable sharing bathrooms with trans-women. Should we continue to dictate how these women should behave and feel?
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