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Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by mrscottson »

socrates1998 wrote: post #449
shadowgovt wrote: post #438

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Hopefully not where the last anti-globalization movement did (isolationism, fascism, and a world war).

Obviously. I think the CCP has been given a pass the past 15 years. It's high time they conform to the western liberal democratic model of government. I really hope it doesn't get ugly, but it could. We are so different than them, I just don't see how we go back to business as usual after this mess.

>It's high time they conform to the western liberal democratic model of government.

Seems like we haven't learned anything over the failed regime-change exercises of the past 2 centuries.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by JAlexoid »

esotericn wrote: post #722
SilasX wrote: post #582

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At risk of nitpicking, why do say "controls" rather than e.g. "services" or "handles"? When you say "controls" it's like you're saying Google has some kind of monopoly power that makes it hard to switch. And yet anyone can easily switch to e.g. DuckDuckGo. If that's a monopoly, it's not quite the kind of a monopoly we should generally be worried about. Browsers would be a different issue. In that case, there are netw…

Thought experiment: Google controls 90% of the search market, the 10% (or 1%, whatever) they don't serve being made up of people who are oppressed in some way by the 90%, deliberately or otherwise. Google censors information relating to that 10% for everyone else. They don't care enough to switch. Centralization is an issue _a priori_. It's giving power to a single entity that we have no reason to trust will act in e…

And who gets to decide what is "best interests"?

Google Search is a consumer focused product, if they don't serve up the stuff that the users want - they loose viewers. No viewers - no revenue. Their bottom line depends on giving each person the best search results possible.

Pretending that they'll just decide to cut off even 1% of users is insane.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by crocodiletears »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #521
londons_explore wrote: post #473

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Anyone at Google, you can see the complete list here: http://cs/Eric+Ciaramella

Am I reading this right? There is a list of censored words that applies across all google products, but only google employees can access it? Anyone at google want to be a whistleblower and share this list?

This would be an incredible public service. While I believe Google is within its right to censor information on their platforms, the opacity with-which they do it is imo unacceptable, given the scale of their influence on the public dialogue. Similarly, I think any media conglomerate should be required to publish any formal lists of in-house gag-orders.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by J0_k3r »

subsubzero wrote: post #560
giancarlostoro wrote: post #527

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Honestly about a year ago I decided to switch to an iPhone once the "contract" is up. I have used iOS and I didnt find it anymore special, but it isn't really that much different to me to be bothered by using either one. I will also take that moment to ungooglify my life including email and such.

I did the same a few years back, use duck duck go for search, iphone for phone, apple maps for directions, firefox|safari|brave for browser, it is really easy to get google out of your life, only thing I am still looking to replace is mail, if anyone has found something that is free(or relatively cheap) and is reliable I'd love to know.

if you have your own domain you can set up a mail server

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by JAlexoid »

echelon wrote: post #541
subsubzero wrote: post #472

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Here are some numbers to keep you up at night, they are very scary: Google controls 91.89% of the search market [1] G controls 68% of the browser market [2] G's android is on 84% of phones operating systems [3] G has 73% of the search advertising market [4] [1] https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/544400/market-share-of-i... [3] https://beta.trimread.com/articl…

Tell your legislators you want to see antitrust action taken against Google! They're abusing the hell out of their status. AMP, removal of adblock capability, driving web standards to potentially be more opaque, walled gardens, automated removal and takedown, etc.

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Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by cmoscoso »

gentleman11 wrote: post #762
three_seagrass wrote: post #633

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This is the perennial discussion on HN as HN'ers get popularity confused with monopoly. I get the anti-Google sentiment but outside of the Play services agreements that Google got dinged for with Android manufacturers, they're not being anti-competitive. If Google were to block search results to DuckDuckGo for example, that would be monopolistic and warrant antitrust action. As it is now, Google isn't blocking compet…

They do deliberately slow their sites on Firefox, as has been discussed in many past hn articles. YouTube for example. Pardon my lack of references, you should confirm for yourself with a hn search in case I am mistaken

Oh, is that why it takes forever to load google search on firefox? how is that allowed? I'm speechless.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by arcturus17 »

jshevek wrote: post #724
yashap wrote: post #226

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Strongly disagree, there are some blurred lines around hate speech, but this isn’t one of them at all. This is a critique of a political party, that’s clear cut not hate speech.

I am opposed to censorship, and I disagree with your claim. This qualifies as "hate speech". It's derogatory, its directed at a specific group of people, and it can foster animosity. That the group is a political party is not material.

Dozens of millions of people have been murdered in the name of communism by communists, and I can’t call communists “bandits”?

Do you think you can be taken seriously when you say you oppose censorship?

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by ksk »

SilasX wrote: post #582
subsubzero wrote: post #472

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here are some numbers to keep you up at night, they are very scary: Google controls 91.89% of the search market [1] G controls 68% of the browser market [2] G's android is on 84% of phones operating systems [3] G has 73% of the search advertising market [4] [1] https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/544400/market-share-of-i... [3] https://beta.trimread.com/articl…

At risk of nitpicking, why do say "controls" rather than e.g. "services" or "handles"? When you say "controls" it's like you're saying Google has some kind of monopoly power that makes it hard to switch. And yet anyone can easily switch to e.g. DuckDuckGo. If that's a monopoly, it's not quite the kind of a monopoly we should generally be worried about. Browsers would be a different issue. In that case, there are netw…

> And yet anyone can easily switch to e.g. DuckDuckGo. If that's a monopoly, it's not quite the kind of a monopoly we should generally be worried about.

Because people are conditioned by defaults. Google knows this, and so does every other business. Google had a good product, but Google also bought market share by bundling their products with random software (like adobes flash player, which later they unsurprisingly tried to kill), making a deal with Dell to bundle their software/toolbar, etc. Yes anyone in theory can switch, but its not really how people think. People are not as informed as we think they are, or aware of the pros and cons of various competing services and products. That includes most people, even people on this site, so its really not an elitist thing.

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Post by TechBro8615 »

crocodiletears wrote: post #803
TechBro8615 wrote: post #521

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I reading this right? There is a list of censored words that applies across all google products, but only google employees can access it? Anyone at google want to be a whistleblower and share this list?

This would be an incredible public service. While I believe Google is within its right to censor information on their platforms, the opacity with-which they do it is imo unacceptable, given the scale of their influence on the public dialogue. Similarly, I think any media conglomerate should be required to publish any formal lists of in-house gag-orders.

Ironically, it was google that first innovated along these lines with their “chilling effects” project. Any time a URL was removed via a copyright complaint, they would log it. If a search result was censored, you could see the copyright complaint. I’m not sure if they still do this.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by Gibbon1 »

JAlexoid wrote: post #805
echelon wrote: post #541

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell your legislators you want to see antitrust action taken against Google! They're abusing the hell out of their status. AMP, removal of adblock capability, driving web standards to potentially be more opaque, walled gardens, automated removal and takedown, etc.

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Let be honest. If your ads are stalking and spying on me then you're way more of an asshole.
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