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Post by khawkins »

ddevault wrote: post #338
yashap wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not a Google employee, but really all companies of large enough size care only about the bottom line. Large companies don’t have morals, they just try to make money at all costs, full stop. Google is a bit more hypocritical in that they pretend to be about more than this, but lots of companies are similarly hypocritical, especially tech companies. It’s really only small businesses that have any sort of humanity (…

The answer to this is collective action.

The fundamental problem is that there is collective action on both sides of the issue. There are plenty of people organizing for the removal of "hate speech", and there are plenty of people organizing for free speech. It's not exactly clear which side is economical since you're not going to make both sides happy.

Tech giants have picked the winners and I'm pretty convinced they've picked sides based on their personal convictions. They're removing hate speech because they think they're on the right side of history, not because they think it will make them the most money.

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Post by manigandham »

jayd16 wrote: post #371
manigandham wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The solution is to realize "hate speech" is mostly subjective and revert back to the clear rules that we had last decade before the current political climate of gratuitous outrage.

What were those clear rules we apparently abandoned for no reason?

The First Amendment of the US Constitution.

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Post by manigandham »

foldr wrote: post #369
manigandham wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by not "actually working"? What is a "conflict-free environment"? What does hate speech have to do with minority populations? Do people within those populations never say hateful things, even to each other? How do you know they never participated in any forums? This sounds like an awful lot of assumptions.

>What does hate speech have to do with minority populations? Come on. There's a debate to be had about hate speech and free speech, but it can't even get started on a reasonable footing if some of the participants don't know enough history to be able to answer this question.

Instead of claiming that I lack the history, why don't you explain what the connection is?

The definition of minority is just as subjective.

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Post by jwond »

_4ziu wrote: post #394
mikaeluman wrote: post #57

Imagine you posting “nazi bandits” on a WW2 video and seeing it vanish after 15s. We in the IT community need to disassociate with google as much as we possibly can. Free speech is more important than ever.

The CCP is not the same as nazis. This is silly.

You’re right, they’re not the same. Communists have killed more people.

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Post by yandrypozo »

Unbelievable :( it's like deleting all comments that include: "fascist bandits" Communism has killed more people than any other ideology.

> The European Parliament has condemned communism as equivalent to Nazism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_Declaration_on_European...

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Post by mortehu »

ajconway wrote: post #173
ddevault wrote: post #38

Google & YouTube employees on HN: how do you justify still working at this company? Enough of the cognitive dissonance. Face your choices and tell me how you square yourself with them. For shame.

How do you justify being a citizen of your country? (not sure what country that is, but most of them have done bad things in the past). It's possible to be a part of a large organization and not agree with its every action.

It's more similar to working for a local government. Like should you be a school bus driver in Arizona, given their record?

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Post by joshuamorton »

rukittenme wrote: post #413
joshuamorton wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the first result from Googling "hate speech": > public speech that expresses hate or encourages violence towards a person or group based on something such as race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation I might broaden the final bit to "immutable characteristics" instead of the specific list they provide. For the same reason, I probably wouldn't consider the comment under discussion hate speech, but I'm really c…

"Immutable characteristics"? So religion, sex, race, and sexual orientation are fair game then? You must have missed the part where half of our society has declared these things as social constructs . They are mutable by definition and people can and do take advantage of this mutability. (Note: I'm not making an argument for or against mutability of these traits -- only acknowledging the arguments existence). How abo…

> sex, race, and sexual orientation

You're going to have a hard time convicing me that any of these are mutable. While the presentation of sex and sexual orientation may be mutable (someone can be female passing or straight passing) their orientation or sex itself is not. Similarly while someone can be white passing or codeswitch, their race itself cannot be changed.

Mutability of presentation doesn't make the underlying thing mutable. Nor does something being a social construct make it mutable.

To put it concretely, if I'm bisexual, just because I can date only opposite-gendered people doesn't mean that I'm straight. Similarly, just because race is in many ways socially constructed doesn't mean that I can stop being black or white or whatever, at least not without convincing society to change its definitions.

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Post by socrates1998 »

shadowgovt wrote: post #438
socrates1998 wrote: post #434

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I think that attitude of customers is changing as we speak. Before, sure, it was easy to ignore the ramblings of how the CCP was upset at something and a western company just gives into them. Now, anti-CCP sentiment is growing. I think western people are starting to realize how different we actually are. The CCP will be blamed for the pandemic (which is mostly correct), and you will see a massive decoupling here in t…

Hopefully not where the last anti-globalization movement did (isolationism, fascism, and a world war).

Obviously. I think the CCP has been given a pass the past 15 years. It's high time they conform to the western liberal democratic model of government.

I really hope it doesn't get ugly, but it could. We are so different than them, I just don't see how we go back to business as usual after this mess.

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Post by efa »

101404 wrote: post #269
RIMR wrote: post #225

What an infantile understanding of the issue. The reason that hate speech creates outrage is because it exists to communicate inhuman hatred of others for their immutable characteristics. The reason that sites like YouTube don't tolerate it isn't that they share in the outrage - it's that they rely entirely on advertisers to keep their bottom line positive, and advertisers aren't going to pay to be associated with ha…

> infantile understanding I had to flag your comment for using this hurtful speech.

Amen! (sorry is that hateful to non-Christians?)
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