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Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by chki »

vorpalhex wrote: post #402
chki wrote: post #55

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I think you are reading things into the comment your replying to that aren't there.

It is either the case that the parent likes to add random facts into conversations such as "the word communist contains 9 letters" which has nothing to do with the conversation, or the parent clearly felt that the phrase being perjorative was tied to it being censored. Let us assume the parent was being on topic and relevant. Therefore they seem to indicate the censoring was due to it being perjorative. As most other…

I guess we're on a tangent now but maybe it's an interesting exercise.

>the parent clearly felt that the phrase being perjorative was tied to it being censored.

How do you come to this conclusion? In my view the comment is not implying anything at all, it is merely translating (not only using a direct translation but also conveying the implications of the phrase "communist bandit"). The word "pejorative" adds to the translation. There is nothing in the original comment that says anything about censorship at all.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by esotericn »

SilasX wrote: post #582
subsubzero wrote: post #472

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Here are some numbers to keep you up at night, they are very scary: Google controls 91.89% of the search market [1] G controls 68% of the browser market [2] G's android is on 84% of phones operating systems [3] G has 73% of the search advertising market [4] [1] https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/544400/market-share-of-i... [3] https://beta.trimread.com/articl…

At risk of nitpicking, why do say "controls" rather than e.g. "services" or "handles"? When you say "controls" it's like you're saying Google has some kind of monopoly power that makes it hard to switch. And yet anyone can easily switch to e.g. DuckDuckGo. If that's a monopoly, it's not quite the kind of a monopoly we should generally be worried about. Browsers would be a different issue. In that case, there are netw…

Thought experiment: Google controls 90% of the search market, the 10% (or 1%, whatever) they don't serve being made up of people who are oppressed in some way by the 90%, deliberately or otherwise.

Google censors information relating to that 10% for everyone else. They don't care enough to switch.

Centralization is an issue _a priori_. It's giving power to a single entity that we have no reason to trust will act in everyone's best interests.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by koheripbal »

Flantastical wrote: post #499
manigandham wrote: post #119

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The solution is to realize "hate speech" is mostly subjective and revert back to the clear rules that we had last decade before the current political climate of gratuitous outrage.

I think part of the issue is the power of comments like yours that pretends there's a simple solution. In some conversations bad actors can gain more power in a debate using misleading information than a good actor can by using the truth. Most conversations, such as this one about free speech, are so complex that it's tough for a 'good actor' to offer solutions. They may discuss the pros / cons of each side, talk abo…

I think the issue is that YouTube wants to be seen as the "creator" for the content they distribute, and therefore, all content must not contradict the brand image of Google.

Alternatively, YouTube needs to put more emphasis and responsibility on the reputation of content creators and make it such that their reputation gains them visibility over time. A creator with 20 years of community determined honest reporting, should be featured more prominently than a channel that is new or has a controversial history.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by jshevek »

yashap wrote: post #226
gabaix wrote: post #63

Youtube is in a tough spot. They will be blamed: - if they don't take down speech some consider hateful - if they take down speech some do not consider hateful 共匪 is seen as an insult by a group, but others do not. If Youtube bans nothing, then hate speech thrives and they get bad PR. If Youtube bans anything anyone flags as hate speech, then they become de facto as censorship agents for foreign powers. Anything crit…

Strongly disagree, there are some blurred lines around hate speech, but this isn’t one of them at all. This is a critique of a political party, that’s clear cut not hate speech.

I am opposed to censorship, and I disagree with your claim. This qualifies as "hate speech". It's derogatory, its directed at a specific group of people, and it can foster animosity. That the group is a political party is not material.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by koheripbal »

birdyrooster wrote: post #632
manigandham wrote: post #119

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The solution is to realize "hate speech" is mostly subjective and revert back to the clear rules that we had last decade before the current political climate of gratuitous outrage.

No. The great opening of the Internet brought points of view onto the internet at scales that hitherto were unknown. There are so many asshats on the Internet that old tactics of manual moderation do not work anymore. Doing nothing is a pathetic excuse for a solution.

Part of that is that the average age of participants on the internet has dropped very significantly since mobile applications become ubiquitous.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by hombre_fatal »

elorant wrote: post #594
subsubzero wrote: post #560

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I did the same a few years back, use duck duck go for search, iphone for phone, apple maps for directions, firefox|safari|brave for browser, it is really easy to get google out of your life, only thing I am still looking to replace is mail, if anyone has found something that is free(or relatively cheap) and is reliable I'd love to know.

Try fastmail. $30 for an annual plan and it works like a charm. A lot of people in here recommend it.

Do they still recycle the address if you stop paying?

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by koheripbal »

ardy42 wrote: post #565
manigandham wrote: post #442

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The First Amendment of the US Constitution.

>>> The solution is to realize "hate speech" is mostly subjective and revert back to the clear rules that we had last decade before the current political climate of gratuitous outrage. >> What were those clear rules we apparently abandoned for no reason? > The First Amendment of the US Constitution. Ah yes, the good old days when every newspaper was obligated to publish every letter to the editor and every citizen wa…

An open forum is not the same as letters to the editor.

It's more analogous to people talking in a bar.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by KyleBerezin »

shp0ngle wrote: post #483
CamelCaseName wrote: post #169

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Wow. No Wikipedia articles on him either, and reports of people getting permanently banned from Wikipedia for trying to create that article, or even mentioning him in another.

If you want to edit wikipedia, you need to know and play their game. Politically charged topics on wikipedia need multiple reliable sources. I can’t find any sources, that would pass as reputable on wikipedia, on this guy. Maybe if there was a script from Senate from Rand Paul, who spoke his name publicly, that could be used. New York Post is the only kind-of-reputable source I can find, I don’t think that’s enough f…

People who authored pages about him get banned, a couple got life bans. This is almost certainly censorship, not some extensive source verification. There also seems to be a media blackout on the topic.

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Post by jshevek »

foldr wrote: post #369
manigandham wrote: post #285

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What do you mean by not "actually working"? What is a "conflict-free environment"? What does hate speech have to do with minority populations? Do people within those populations never say hateful things, even to each other? How do you know they never participated in any forums? This sounds like an awful lot of assumptions.

>What does hate speech have to do with minority populations? Come on. There's a debate to be had about hate speech and free speech, but it can't even get started on a reasonable footing if some of the participants don't know enough history to be able to answer this question.

The problem is that there is not a single, universal correct answer. Answering this question requires that we uncover built-in assumptions, and make them explicit.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by koheripbal »

root_axis wrote: post #694
manigandham wrote: post #674

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How do you moderate something you can't define?

Hate speech can be defined. Of course, not everyone will agree on the definition, but that's beside the point.

I mean, isn't that exactly the point the person above is making?
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