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Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by TMWNN » Fri, May 15, 2020, 1:19 PM UTC

9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #79

TMWNN wrote: post #58

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The United States has no obligation whatsoever to enrich China, especially at its own expense. Your argument is a half step up from "she was dressed like she was asking for it".

Trade is not a zero sum game, it enriches both parties. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage

I am well aware of the benefits of free trade and comparative advantage. Such benefits do not, however, take into account the requirement of at least some degree of self-sufficiency in terms of national security, both in immediate defense applications, and maintaining manufacturing capability and capacity for the longer term. Such benefits also do not take into account China's rapacious appetite for stealing American technology. I am glad that the US government is finally taking a stand.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by logicchains » Fri, May 15, 2020, 1:21 PM UTC

I wonder if this will be good for open source. Is there a RISK-V-like equivalent of whatever it is that's being blocked?

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by asdf123wtf » Fri, May 15, 2020, 1:23 PM UTC

LegitShady wrote: post #77

asdf123wtf wrote: post #65

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Obama was quietly working on the TPP. It or something like it would probably have been the better strategy to check Chinese power and put us on a path to decouple from them, while boosting friendly allies in their orbit. Trump pulled out of the deal and decided to do a trade war instead.

The TPP would simply have incentivized more manufacturing to leave the west for other asian countries. You got a trade war because there was finally a US president willing to risk confrontation like the chinese are, who started calling out chinese practices like dumping steel in canada to kill the US steel industry. A year ago people said trump was crazy for talking about chinese steel dumped in canada as a national…

> The TPP would simply have incentivized more manufacturing to leave the west for other asian countries.

It would have incentivized manufacturing to leave China, along with a large share of all the western dollars currently feeding the regime.

Trump's strategy doesn't really seem to decouple us from China so much as it seems to invert the relationship.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by DiogenesKynikos » Fri, May 15, 2020, 1:23 PM UTC

gpm wrote: post #66

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #49

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> Source on this? I certainly haven't heard the government say anything to this effect. I'm basing this on the government's paralysis in this case. > We're a country of laws. Canada's system of laws is being abused by the Trump administration, which has made no secret of its desire to use Meng Wanzhou as a bargaining chip in the trade war. Allowing the Canadian extradition treaty with the US to be abused for politica…

> I'm basing this on the government's paralysis in this case. What paralysis? It's moving through the court system at the court systems typical pace. (Which is slower than I would like... but that's just a general comment about our court system) > Canada's system of laws is being abused by the Trump administration This is primarily an argument for amending our laws in response to this case, not ignoring them in this…

You can be certain that there is heavy government involvement in the case, just as there was in the SNC Lavalin case. The government is not simply going to leave an important matter of state like this to the vagaries of the courts.

> This is primarily an argument for amending our laws in response to this case, not ignoring them in this case.

The political exception to extradition quite obviously applies here. This is a standard clause in extradition treaties. The thing is, the Canadian government is afraid to use this clause for political reasons - fear of retaliation from the Trump administration.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by saiya-jin » Fri, May 15, 2020, 1:24 PM UTC

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #70

bildung wrote: post #30

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I will be very surprised if Huawei would be found guilty of anything. The company plays an important role in actually defining the 5G standard as a member of 3GPP, and holds 3 times the number of 5G patents than Qualcomm. I mean, look at the number of contributions to the 5G standards by company in this document, and compare the positions of Huawei, Qualcomm and Cisco: https://www.iplytics.com/wp-content/uploads/2019…

worked for a main competitor of Huawei building UMTS/LTE base stations which at the time weren't even properly standardized (early systems design). Searched for my own name on github. Found source code I wrote for said vendor which was taken from somebody who worked for our Hangzhou office and had access to the same internal VCS[1] as me. The guy downloaded anything he had access to then moved to Huawei and from ther…

Man, I get your point, they did/are doing tons of bad stuff. But so is every-fucking-body else, everywhere. Industrial espionage is a thing for more than a century, everybody tries to steal whatever they can, even US from Europe and vice versa. US secret services help their own private companies get an edge (for some other favors obviously), and so do other secret services.

Friendships among nations is a very relative term.

What you describe is just less attempts by chinese to cover up their tracks, since it doesn't matter that much now.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by Udik » Fri, May 15, 2020, 1:24 PM UTC

jtdev wrote: post #88

boomboomsubban wrote: post #60

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>With the perspective of COVID19, China seems like a threat to the global community This does not make any sense to me. Though I do not approve of all of the actions China took at the start of the pandemic, I can not understand how you can consider them a threat over it. Also McDonald's?

Have you not considered that China made an exerted effort to withhold information about COVID19 from the world... How is that not an act of aggression? Hundreds of thousands dead... Golden Arches Theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lexus_and_the_Olive_Tree

China seems to have reacted to the epidemic quicker and more effectively than the rest of the world did. Acts of aggression are voluntary: like dropping bombs on Iraq, financing civil wars or reneging a signed agreement and imposing an embargo on a foreign country.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by AsyncAwait » Fri, May 15, 2020, 1:24 PM UTC

AsyncAwait wrote: post #76

isatty wrote: post #26

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Maybe because there are human rights in the US?

Not only doesn't apply to non-Americans, but sometimes it doesn't even apply to American citizens, (Chelsea Manning was tortured in a U.S. military prison).

Downvoting doesn't change the facts [1], but keep your blinders on.

1 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/mar/12/bradley-mannin...

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by ilaksh » Fri, May 15, 2020, 1:25 PM UTC

JohnTClark wrote: post #89

ilaksh wrote: post #57

What is it that is actually preventing this from escalating to a hot war? It feels like we are just waiting for China to manufacture enough warships and nukes or killer drones or AGI with spiking neural networks or whatever can give them an edge so that a real war can start. It's even a war in the comments section. I don't think it's safe. How do we really know it can't progress to some kind of overt military activit…

It is better to hold them down while we, the west get stronger. They can escalate tensions all they want they still need warships, nukes, microchips, etc. to do something and as long as we stay better then them they won't do anything. In my opinion the best way to avoid a war is to have the bigger stick

Maybe but at some point it turns into a case where people are constantly beating each other with sticks of various sizes. And then it's not civilized anymore.

So it seems like either that stick needs to get much more effective very quickly, or probably more reasonably at this point we need to try to de-escalate somehow.

In my opinion there is a very obvious lack of cultural and political integration which is inevitably going to be resolved. One way or another. I don't see a plan for doing it peacefully really being promoted by leaders. Which to me indicates that the leadership and overall awareness of the situation is inadequate. And probably we are going to be totally fucked by this ignorance and stupidity at some point.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by amd-bull » Fri, May 15, 2020, 1:25 PM UTC

pretty shocking how biased these hn comments are against china. it's clear the US has lost leadership in the crucial technology of 5g and is trying everything it can to stop the leader, huawei. while i'm no china-phile, the US actions is just silly and will have far reaching consequences that will just quicken the demise of our technological prowess. and if you're gonna argue from the point of view that huawei broke the law, then let them have their day in court. we're acting like judge, jury and executioner. how is that right?? shows up hn as a bunch of biased tech bros! let the downvotes begin

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by bilbo0s » Fri, May 15, 2020, 1:26 PM UTC

pluc wrote: post #51

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #11

This after previous indictments of Huawei for RICO violations and theft of trade secrets from USA companies T-Mobile, Qualcomm, and Cisco. Including theft of 5G technology that is now being used in equipment sold to EU countries. [0] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chinese-telecommunications-co... [1] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chinese-telecommunications-de... Whatever happened to arresting Huawei’s Chief Financia…

We still have Meng, she's chilling in a million dollar mansion in Vancouver while China keeps a few of our citizens in actual jail for it.

That's the danger of being the patsy. I think more and more people should try to transact business at an arm's distance with China in this kind of environment. The opposite is true as well. Your average Chinese businessperson should think long and hard about transacting any business with the US that requires their physical presence in the US.

All nations have way too many laws. You will be in violation of one of them. So the only thing the Chinese or US government needs to do is pick a US or Chinese citizen, and then hold up the probably 10 laws that he/she is violating. It's impossible to live somewhere and be law abiding while simultaneously not knowing what all the laws are.

Let's be frank, we're not at the level of the elites in these nations who are arguing over which nation has the largest most attractive tits. On our level, and I'm talking to western and Chinese workers alike, but we're so far down the chain that we won't have people out there pulling strings for us. You don't want to be the hapless patsy sitting in US and Chinese prisons for 10 years while the elites compare dick size or whatever. To paraphrase that old adage, "They can remain irrational much longer than you can comfortably sit in prison."