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Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by pluc »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #11

This after previous indictments of Huawei for RICO violations and theft of trade secrets from USA companies T-Mobile, Qualcomm, and Cisco. Including theft of 5G technology that is now being used in equipment sold to EU countries. [0] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chinese-telecommunications-co... [1] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chinese-telecommunications-de... Whatever happened to arresting Huawei’s Chief Financia…

We still have Meng, she's chilling in a million dollar mansion in Vancouver while China keeps a few of our citizens in actual jail for it.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by corebit »

krapp wrote: post #44
roenxi wrote: post #34

I doubt this will be my most popular comment on HN but Trump really has to be congratulated for being the first President to actually do something about the growth in strategic strength of the absolutely terrifying regime that currently controls China. I know the Obama administration made some noises but I don't recall them actually inconveniencing China in a serious way. To me this is all naked geopolitics, hardly f…

>Trump really has to be congratulated for being the first President to actually do something about the growth in strategic strength of the absolutely terrifying regime that currently controls China He might deserve congratulations if his strategies made sense, but they seem more likely to hurt the US than China in the long run.

There are no sure things. We don't like the current situation because its risky. But no risk no reward. If we wanted less risk our only option was to have done it way earlier - under Bush 1 or Clinton.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by ericmay »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #14
Udik wrote: post #2

This is nothing else than the US panicking over losing their technological and economic supremacy, and using brute force to damage a competitor. Disgusting and very dangerous for the whole world.

Don't know why you're downvoted given that you're correct. The end result of this is to ensure that China develops their own semi conductor industry. Besides the short term loss of sales, in the long term new companies will emerge that compete with the American semi conductor industry. It's just a dumb move all around.

> The end result of this is to ensure that China develops their own semi conductor industry

Seems to me that's happening either way and probably always was. Why wouldn't they?

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by [deleted] »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #31
VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #11

This after previous indictments of Huawei for RICO violations and theft of trade secrets from USA companies T-Mobile, Qualcomm, and Cisco. Including theft of 5G technology that is now being used in equipment sold to EU countries. [0] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chinese-telecommunications-co... [1] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chinese-telecommunications-de... Whatever happened to arresting Huawei’s Chief Financia…

>This after previous indictments of Huawei for RICO violations and theft of trade secrets from USA companies T-Mobile, Qualcomm, and Cisco Refusing to sell chips to them incentivizes further theft of intellectual property. If these two things are linked, this seems like a terrible strategy.

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Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by stareatgoats »

Udik wrote: post #2

This is nothing else than the US panicking over losing their technological and economic supremacy, and using brute force to damage a competitor. Disgusting and very dangerous for the whole world.

Yes, this is correct, it's the sign of the US losing its post WW2 grip on world affairs. But the normally balanced and insightful HN crowd is drowned out on topics like these. Pre-WW1 style national pride and competition for markets and raw materials is back with a vengeance it seems, and it's not only the US who got it; Russia, China, the EU and more got it too. It doesn't bode well.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by zadokshi »

jaywalk wrote: post #18
fallingfrog wrote: post #10

It’s pretty hilarious that the grounds for the block is that China will use the chips to spy on people, given that the United States is certainly doing that already.

Yeah, US spying and Chinese spying are totally the same and used for the same purposes. I don't like spying period, but to try and equate what the US does to what China does is simply ludicrous.

Americans will disagree and not understand why non Americans have this opinion.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by ilaksh »

What is it that is actually preventing this from escalating to a hot war? It feels like we are just waiting for China to manufacture enough warships and nukes or killer drones or AGI with spiking neural networks or whatever can give them an edge so that a real war can start.

It's even a war in the comments section.

I don't think it's safe. How do we really know it can't progress to some kind of overt military activity?

Why are people not more concerned about this?

I get the impression that people think the best way to prevent a war is to keep doing things to hold them down. But that seems to be escalating tensions and not actually limiting them.

What is the plan for getting out of this? I hope that Elon hurries up with his Mars rockets so I can emmigrate before the whole planet turns into a complete bloody (literally) science fiction nightmare.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by TMWNN »

predictmktegirl wrote: post #36

I think we should all keep something in mind before we go celebrate the end of globalization. If we go on a rampage pulling manufacturing and capital out of China while simultaneously blaming them for the pandemic, in a few years we’ll end up seeing a nation with a shattered economy, a pissed off populace, and the largest and most well supplied army on Earth. Rhetoric tends to devolve into a limited decision matrix w…

The United States has no obligation whatsoever to enrich China, especially at its own expense.

Your argument is a half step up from "she was dressed like she was asking for it".

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by someguydave »

harpratap wrote: post #6
luckylion wrote: post #3

I guess TSMC got a courtesy call so they were able to announce their intention of building a new fab in the US? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23187698

TSMC is the golden goose. The entire world will lose if something happens to them.

Yeah I speculate that tsmc has gotten some sweetheart deals as part of this policy change.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by boomboomsubban »

jtdev wrote: post #23

With the perspective of COVID19, China seems like a threat to the global community. I support any efforts to restrict China’s ability to expand their footprint, global reach, ability to reach into and influence the affairs of other nations. I’m completely exhausted with the deeply flawed “Golden Arches” b.s. at this point.

>With the perspective of COVID19, China seems like a threat to the global community

This does not make any sense to me. Though I do not approve of all of the actions China took at the start of the pandemic, I can not understand how you can consider them a threat over it.

Also McDonald's?

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