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Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by boomboomsubban »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #11

This after previous indictments of Huawei for RICO violations and theft of trade secrets from USA companies T-Mobile, Qualcomm, and Cisco. Including theft of 5G technology that is now being used in equipment sold to EU countries. [0] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chinese-telecommunications-co... [1] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chinese-telecommunications-de... Whatever happened to arresting Huawei’s Chief Financia…

>This after previous indictments of Huawei for RICO violations and theft of trade secrets from USA companies T-Mobile, Qualcomm, and Cisco

Refusing to sell chips to them incentivizes further theft of intellectual property. If these two things are linked, this seems like a terrible strategy.

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Post by gpm »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #11

This after previous indictments of Huawei for RICO violations and theft of trade secrets from USA companies T-Mobile, Qualcomm, and Cisco. Including theft of 5G technology that is now being used in equipment sold to EU countries. [0] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chinese-telecommunications-co... [1] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chinese-telecommunications-de... Whatever happened to arresting Huawei’s Chief Financia…

It's still working it's way through the Canadian court system. This is the most recent article I could find:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-huawei-argu...

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by logicchains »

jaywalk wrote: post #18
fallingfrog wrote: post #10

It’s pretty hilarious that the grounds for the block is that China will use the chips to spy on people, given that the United States is certainly doing that already.

Yeah, US spying and Chinese spying are totally the same and used for the same purposes. I don't like spying period, but to try and equate what the US does to what China does is simply ludicrous.

Yeah, China uses their technological advantage to do horrible things. Like invading Iraq and overthrowing the leaders, leaving the country in chaos and leading to hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths. Or the time they invaded Afghanistan and overthrew their leaders, leaving the country in chaos. Or the mass surveillance of their citizens. Or they harsh punishments they mete out to whistle-blowers who expose wrongdoing, forcing them to free to countries like Russia if they don't want to lose their freedom.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by roenxi »

I doubt this will be my most popular comment on HN but Trump really has to be congratulated for being the first President to actually do something about the growth in strategic strength of the absolutely terrifying regime that currently controls China. I know the Obama administration made some noises but I don't recall them actually inconveniencing China in a serious way.

To me this is all naked geopolitics, hardly fair and extremely risky. But finally America is transitioning to worrying about real problems rather than, say, the policy of treating shepherds in Afghanistan as a major threat in the Bush era.

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Post by gpm »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #27
VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #11

This after previous indictments of Huawei for RICO violations and theft of trade secrets from USA companies T-Mobile, Qualcomm, and Cisco. Including theft of 5G technology that is now being used in equipment sold to EU countries. [0] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chinese-telecommunications-co... [1] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chinese-telecommunications-de... Whatever happened to arresting Huawei’s Chief Financia…

It's pretty difficult to take the accusations of theft of 5G technology seriously, when Huawei is far ahead of its competitors and has massively outspent them on R&D for 5G. > Was she ever extradited from Canada after being captured in Vancouver, BC? No, it's still a giant political mess. The Canadian government wishes they had never gotten involved - they should have just let her slip. With the US and China, Canada…

> The Canadian government wishes they had never gotten involved - they should have just let her slip. With the US and China, Canada is between a rock and a hard place.

Source on this? I certainly haven't heard the government say anything to this effect. As a Canadian I certainly do not wish we had "just let her slip". We're a country of laws. We should follow those laws, not just give in to pressure from China because they're big, mean, and scary.

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Post by predictmktegirl »

I think we should all keep something in mind before we go celebrate the end of globalization. If we go on a rampage pulling manufacturing and capital out of China while simultaneously blaming them for the pandemic, in a few years we’ll end up seeing a nation with a shattered economy, a pissed off populace, and the largest and most well supplied army on Earth. Rhetoric tends to devolve into a limited decision matrix when we should be trying to expand the tree instead. Diplomacy works, anger doesn’t.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by logicchains »

isatty wrote: post #26
shmel wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might feel different depending where you live. If one lives in Europe, I don't see why US or Chinese spying should be perceived differently.

Maybe because there are human rights in the US?

The US judicial system doesn't protect the human rights of anyone who's not in America. Just ask the thousands of brown people killed as collateral damage from drone strikes without any chance of a trial in court.

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Post by Icathian »

mempko wrote: post #15
VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #11

This after previous indictments of Huawei for RICO violations and theft of trade secrets from USA companies T-Mobile, Qualcomm, and Cisco. Including theft of 5G technology that is now being used in equipment sold to EU countries. [0] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chinese-telecommunications-co... [1] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chinese-telecommunications-de... Whatever happened to arresting Huawei’s Chief Financia…

There are a couple of points a) The deal china made with US companies is bring us your technology and we will manufacture for you cheaply. b) Giving technology as part of a deal and then retroactively calling it stealing is, well, strange. c) America because what it was because it "stole" technology from Europe during the industrial revolution. American companies understood what they were getting into and what the de…

You seem to be under the rather odd impression that all of the limitations you agree to when you enter into contract with another entity are supposed to be ignored. Just because you're doing business with someone who has a reputation of breaching faith doesn't mean it's appropriate that they do so, and you certainly don't have to like them for it.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by logicchains »

gpm wrote: post #35
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty difficult to take the accusations of theft of 5G technology seriously, when Huawei is far ahead of its competitors and has massively outspent them on R&D for 5G. > Was she ever extradited from Canada after being captured in Vancouver, BC? No, it's still a giant political mess. The Canadian government wishes they had never gotten involved - they should have just let her slip. With the US and China, Canada…

> The Canadian government wishes they had never gotten involved - they should have just let her slip. With the US and China, Canada is between a rock and a hard place. Source on this? I certainly haven't heard the government say anything to this effect. As a Canadian I certainly do not wish we had "just let her slip". We're a country of laws. We should follow those laws, not just give in to pressure from China becaus…

A country of Canadian laws, not American laws.
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