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Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by VWWHFSfQ » Fri, May 15, 2020, 12:22 PM UTC

This after previous indictments of Huawei for RICO violations and theft of trade secrets from USA companies T-Mobile, Qualcomm, and Cisco. Including theft of 5G technology that is now being used in equipment sold to EU countries.

[0] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chinese-telecommunications-co...

[1] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chinese-telecommunications-de...

Whatever happened to arresting Huawei’s Chief Financial Officer Wanzhou Meng? Was she ever extradited from Canada after being captured in Vancouver, BC?

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by micromacro » Fri, May 15, 2020, 12:26 PM UTC

Udik wrote: post #2

This is nothing else than the US panicking over losing their technological and economic supremacy, and using brute force to damage a competitor. Disgusting and very dangerous for the whole world.

Americans spreaded fake new 2 years ago stating that there are SPY-chips hiddenly built into Apple, Microsoft, Amazon and Google products by Chinese. The companies investigated their chips and didn't find anything. Americans lost any credibility.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, May 15, 2020, 12:30 PM UTC

fallingfrog wrote: post #10

It’s pretty hilarious that the grounds for the block is that China will use the chips to spy on people, given that the United States is certainly doing that already.

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Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by AndyMcConachie » Fri, May 15, 2020, 12:30 PM UTC

Udik wrote: post #2

This is nothing else than the US panicking over losing their technological and economic supremacy, and using brute force to damage a competitor. Disgusting and very dangerous for the whole world.

Don't know why you're downvoted given that you're correct. The end result of this is to ensure that China develops their own semi conductor industry. Besides the short term loss of sales, in the long term new companies will emerge that compete with the American semi conductor industry.

It's just a dumb move all around.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by mempko » Fri, May 15, 2020, 12:30 PM UTC

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #11

This after previous indictments of Huawei for RICO violations and theft of trade secrets from USA companies T-Mobile, Qualcomm, and Cisco. Including theft of 5G technology that is now being used in equipment sold to EU countries. [0] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chinese-telecommunications-co... [1] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chinese-telecommunications-de... Whatever happened to arresting Huawei’s Chief Financia…

There are a couple of points

a) The deal china made with US companies is bring us your technology and we will manufacture for you cheaply.

b) Giving technology as part of a deal and then retroactively calling it stealing is, well, strange.

c) America because what it was because it "stole" technology from Europe during the industrial revolution.

American companies understood what they were getting into and what the deals were and took them. China didn't force US companies to make those deals.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by Udik » Fri, May 15, 2020, 12:30 PM UTC

madengr wrote: post #9

geogra4 wrote: post #5

How many foreign companies actually use US Chipmaking equipment? Will this stop european chipmakers like ASML from selling to china too?

They probably all use the software. Funny thing is that TSMC +10 nm is subject to these rules, but not the 7 nm as it uses under 13% USA technology. Yes, I think ASML will not sell them equipment.

So now you have EU companies that bought a product from US companies and are retroactively deprived of the ability to produce for their customers? Is this even legal?

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by micromacro » Fri, May 15, 2020, 12:31 PM UTC

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #14

Udik wrote: post #2

This is nothing else than the US panicking over losing their technological and economic supremacy, and using brute force to damage a competitor. Disgusting and very dangerous for the whole world.

Don't know why you're downvoted given that you're correct. The end result of this is to ensure that China develops their own semi conductor industry. Besides the short term loss of sales, in the long term new companies will emerge that compete with the American semi conductor industry. It's just a dumb move all around.

unpleasant truth

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by jaywalk » Fri, May 15, 2020, 12:31 PM UTC

fallingfrog wrote: post #10

It’s pretty hilarious that the grounds for the block is that China will use the chips to spy on people, given that the United States is certainly doing that already.

Yeah, US spying and Chinese spying are totally the same and used for the same purposes.

I don't like spying period, but to try and equate what the US does to what China does is simply ludicrous.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by madengr » Fri, May 15, 2020, 12:32 PM UTC

Huawei is screwed for RF front end components, specifically integrated PA, switching, and BAW filtering. I don’t believe there is a domestic supplier of those.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by bergstromm466 » Fri, May 15, 2020, 12:32 PM UTC

I implore anyone to check out ‘Trade is War’ by Yash Tandon:

“ Globalization has reduced many aspects of modern life to little more than commodities controlled by multinational corporations. Everything, from land and water to health and human rights, is today intimately linked to the issue of free trade. Conventional wisdom presents this development as benign, the sole path to progress.

Yash Tandon, drawing on decades of on-the-ground experience as a high level negotiator in bodies such as the World Trade Organization, here challenges this prevailing orthodoxy. He insists that, for the vast majority of people, and especially those in the poorer regions of the world, free trade not only hinders development—it visits relentless waves of violence and impoverishment on their lives.”