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Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by Proziam »

NoahTheDuke wrote: post #128
legostormtroopr wrote: post #119

More power to people selling if it works for them, I'm just concerned they aren't thinking about their futures. As crass as people will say this is, selling your body is selling access to a depreciating asset. While they might be making good money now, eventually these girls will grow up. Slowly they'll see subscribers dip, but only enough for them to think they can adjust their product. But there will always be some…

This sounds like most careers, though. Except for the sensational language, how is this different than agism in the software industry, or folks who never become managers? In my (limited) experience, most people don’t climb the ranks or get major pay increases, especially during a pandemic like this.

The agism you reference doesn't exist across the software industry as a whole. There's a massive demand for "old" folks who are familiar with technologies that are considered outdated.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by yeetman21 »

heavyset_go wrote: post #91
mydongle wrote: post #62

As a guy, I'm cool with this kind of stuff. But what message does this send to girls who are not considered attractive enough or just don't want to do this kind of work? The message is that all the study, work, and effort to work in a meaningful career is a freaking joke, when all it takes is to be born a certain way and make huge amounts of money selling your body. On the other hand, we have a generation of young ma…

> The message is that all the study, work, and effort to work in a meaningful career is a freaking joke, when all it takes is to be born a certain way and make huge amounts of money selling your body. It isn't much different than not being born into wealth, or not being able to marry into wealth because of looks. It exposes an inequity in our society, one that wouldn't be so harsh if people didn't have to sell their…

they're not selling their bodies to eat, they're doing it to make a quick buck to buy luxury goods (phones, cars clothes ...)

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by yeetman21 »

commandlinefan wrote: post #89
mydongle wrote: post #62

As a guy, I'm cool with this kind of stuff. But what message does this send to girls who are not considered attractive enough or just don't want to do this kind of work? The message is that all the study, work, and effort to work in a meaningful career is a freaking joke, when all it takes is to be born a certain way and make huge amounts of money selling your body. On the other hand, we have a generation of young ma…

> all it takes is to be born a certain way Couldn't the same be said about intelligence?

shhhhh, you're not suppose to say that

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by mc32 »

mydongle wrote: post #62

As a guy, I'm cool with this kind of stuff. But what message does this send to girls who are not considered attractive enough or just don't want to do this kind of work? The message is that all the study, work, and effort to work in a meaningful career is a freaking joke, when all it takes is to be born a certain way and make huge amounts of money selling your body. On the other hand, we have a generation of young ma…

Ha! Just wait till VR catches on and FB pours all its resources into sucking people into its ecosystem, nay econosphere. Then we will truly be effed beyond belief. Just wait till they leverage all their psychological tricks in the VR world. Goodbye reality.

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Post by crocodiletears »

vzidex wrote: post #10
generalpass wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I observe this to be a narrative that many are pushing, but I don't see it anywhere IRL or even the proverbial data. I suspect they just fall out of statistics and into depression.

Anecdotally, I see it in lots of places - I was a part of those types of communities when I was younger (I'm better now, and I _think_ I'm reasonably well-adjusted), but I still keep tabs on those corners of the internet so I know what's going on, and can be prepared if/when they bubble over in a meaningful way. I see lots of hateful activity, from "boogaloo" groups that hide their violence fetish behind euphemisms a…

There's definitely radicalization and rising militancy in boogaloo groups, and I'm fairly confident that this is where alienated young men are increasingly headed.

But their composite ideology seems closer to a more nihilistic, violent, class-conscious form of libertarianism than the ethnonationalism-tinged militia movements in the past. Groups seem to go through semiregular cycles of periodic anti-racist meme posting in order to keep their communities relatively clean of white supremacists.

It's fascinating, because historically (since the oughties at least) reactionary movements have emerged as deliberate constructs from the racist fringes of the right-wing, growing to attract dispossessed libertarians/Republicans, only to collapse in relevance as their origins and convictions are laid bare. Conversely, even moreso than the kekistan phenomenon, boogaloo seems to be an emergent initiative manifested through, rather than engineered to take advantage of collective discontent shared by young men ranging from disillusioned Trump voters, to anarchists, to libertarian progressives that feel betrayed by the corrupt appearance of the DNC. Some actors have emerged to take stewardship of segments of the movement's broader community, but none that I've been able to identify can claim ownership of it.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by mydongle »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #137
mydongle wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does the normalization of women getting rich and living lavish, bourgeoise lifestyles from selling their bodies help or hurt the perception of women? Even before OnlyFans blew up, people(both men and women) already looked down on women who did sex work for a living. What do you think happens from here when every girl and their grandmother's has an OnlyFans? That's something every guy will probably be thinking about n…

I'm only voicing my concerns. And I'm doing my best to address those concerns. In a nutshell, I'm saying it's sort of neither here nor there whether we normalize the practice of women getting rich via selling their bodies. The general narrative goes something like this: "It's bad for women to make good money off of sex. We should stamp out this practice because it is immoral." Then I say "But how else can they make g…

Sorry, there's really not much I can do to get women into C Suites of corporations and things like that. Poor and unemployed due to a pandemic and that kind of stuff.

For guys like me, it's great that we get to have this huge abundance of porn from all kinds of girls who would've never done it before. I just feel very sad for the girls and boys who never consented or signed up for this fucked up clown world we've got now. That's all I wanted to say. I am not calling for a ban. I'm just pointing out that this does not help women and in fact only hurts women in the long game.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by dontbenebby »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #136
seibelj wrote: post #123

Who would have guessed so many people on HN are against individual freedom? There is absolutely zero ethically or morally wrong with someone selling sex, or buying sex from someone else. Or maybe we should ban pop music stars from revealing too much skin in their music videos? Where do you draw the line between "This is immoral!" and "Wow, what a successful person!" Just ignore it if you don't like it. No one puts a…

> There is absolutely zero ethically or morally wrong with someone selling sex, or buying sex from someone else. That's an insanely modern/left view with zero consideration to basically all historically socially accepted conservative views of the past. It's trendy to support sex workers online in 2020 but in the 2000s I'm pretty sure 95% of white suburbia wouldn't have wanted their daughters hanging out with sex work…

>That's an insanely modern/left view... It's trendy to support sex workers online in 2020 but in the 2000s I'm pretty sure 95% of white suburbia wouldn't have wanted their daughters hanging out with sex workers.

The Cato Institute has been pretty consistently pro legalization. Are they "leftist"?

This really shouldn't be a left/right issue. As a matter of public health, criminalization and measures like SESTA/FOSTA just lead to more dead sex workers

https://www.engadget.com/2018-04-27-suicide-violence-and-goi...

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by DoreenMichele »

mydongle wrote: post #176
DoreenMichele wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm only voicing my concerns. And I'm doing my best to address those concerns. In a nutshell, I'm saying it's sort of neither here nor there whether we normalize the practice of women getting rich via selling their bodies. The general narrative goes something like this: "It's bad for women to make good money off of sex. We should stamp out this practice because it is immoral." Then I say "But how else can they make g…

Sorry, there's really not much I can do to get women into C Suites of corporations and things like that. Poor and unemployed due to a pandemic and that kind of stuff. For guys like me, it's great that we get to have this huge abundance of porn from all kinds of girls who would've never done it before. I just feel very sad for the girls and boys who never consented or signed up for this fucked up clown world we've got…

Sorry, there's really not much I can do

I don't think this is true. I think ordinary guys have access to knowledge that most women lack and just talking with women and taking their issues seriously makes a real and meaningful difference.

So thank you for conversing with me (as opposed to pissing all over me or just being blatantly dismissive).

I am not calling for a ban.

I'm sorry that you feel accused. I'm not trying to accuse you. But the logical outcome of your objections is a ban, if everyone agrees that you are right.

I'm just pointing out that this does not help women and in fact only hurts women in the long game.

I don't believe this is true. I believe this framing is rooted in broader cultural practices where a woman's sexuality doesn't really belong to her. It's a double standard that needs to be stamped out.

But I've had enough of sounding fighty on the internet for one day. So I will likely bow out of this conversation at this point.

Have a good day.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by hanniabu »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #154
fsociety wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did Holmes use her sexuality to bring Theranos to a $10B valuation? I thought she actively fought to remove her femininity to be able to prop it up as a founder.

Well, she secretly slept with and lived with one of her investors who also had some important position within the company. So there's that. https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2019/03/227176/elizabeth-ho...

You're contributing to a stereotype that if a woman is having a relationship with someone at work that it must be to get ahead.
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