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OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Trading personality for employing unearned traits to get through life sounds like a bad deal. I can perform masculinity to top standards and bullshit my way through life, but then I'd lose myself. I doubt it's any different for AFAB people who lucked into good looks and wished they could thrive on merit.

Thank you for commenting. I was quite beautiful when I was younger. I was also molested and raped and told it was my fault for being too beautiful to resist. I considered becoming a model at one time. I also was one of the top students of my graduating class, won a National Merit Scholarship to one of the two most prestigious universities in my home state and had other academic accolades. My beauty seems to have been…

Did Holmes use her sexuality to bring Theranos to a $10B valuation? I thought she actively fought to remove her femininity to be able to prop it up as a founder.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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As a guy, I'm cool with this kind of stuff. But what message does this send to girls who are not considered attractive enough or just don't want to do this kind of work? The message is that all the study, work, and effort to work in a meaningful career is a freaking joke, when all it takes is to be born a certain way and make huge amounts of money selling your body. On the other hand, we have a generation of young ma…

But what message does this send to girls I think the larger problem is the degree to which men refuse to engage women in a substantive intellectual fashion. I appear to be the highest ranked woman on HN. I've been here over a decade. It continues to be the case that most men don't really want to talk much with me unless they are hitting on me. This has proven to be a huge barrier to effective networking and a huge ba…

I don't mean to be personal or rude - I only say this because someone said it to me once and it helped me.

Your experiences in comment threads are often a reflection of what YOU write. Hostile people get hostility, humble people often get humbleness in return. Looking at this comment thread, some of the problems you mention in this comment have come up and perhaps it's worth considering whether that is due to how you write your comments.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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>But what message does this send to girls who are not considered attractive enough or just don't want to do this kind of work? Here's where the real damage gets done - women flock to onlyfans as they find it to be an easy way to sell their looks / body for money. They initially get interest and some (or a lot) of money. More beautiful girls join onlyfans, subscribers change and now you're left with yesterday's onlyfa…

Imagine being a kid today and school bullies finding your mother's old OnlyFans pictures.

Could be worse, at least she made a buck off it. Think of the children of the people flooding Reddit with porn content of themselves, in which they're easily identifiable, for free.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Thank you for commenting. I was quite beautiful when I was younger. I was also molested and raped and told it was my fault for being too beautiful to resist. I considered becoming a model at one time. I also was one of the top students of my graduating class, won a National Merit Scholarship to one of the two most prestigious universities in my home state and had other academic accolades. My beauty seems to have been…

Did Holmes use her sexuality to bring Theranos to a $10B valuation? I thought she actively fought to remove her femininity to be able to prop it up as a founder.

Well, she secretly slept with and lived with one of her investors who also had some important position within the company. So there's that.

https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2019/03/227176/elizabeth-ho...

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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> There is absolutely zero ethically or morally wrong with someone selling sex, or buying sex from someone else. That's an insanely modern/left view with zero consideration to basically all historically socially accepted conservative views of the past. It's trendy to support sex workers online in 2020 but in the 2000s I'm pretty sure 95% of white suburbia wouldn't have wanted their daughters hanging out with sex work…

Can you explain what is morally wrong with buying or selling sex? I’m not “trendy”, it’s a deeply held philosophical belief about individual freedom.

I don't feel like the average person who says "I'm ok with females selling sex" would actually be ok + proud of their mother / daughter / sister / grandma / cousin if they sold sex for a living.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Does the normalization of women getting rich and living lavish, bourgeoise lifestyles from selling their bodies help or hurt the perception of women? Even before OnlyFans blew up, people(both men and women) already looked down on women who did sex work for a living. What do you think happens from here when every girl and their grandmother's has an OnlyFans? That's something every guy will probably be thinking about n…

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> they don't have a real job and want to get rewarded for minimal effort

Most people on OnlyFans have a “real” job and are using the platform to supplement their income. Not unlike people who drive for Uber on nights/weekends.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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> There is absolutely zero ethically or morally wrong with someone selling sex, or buying sex from someone else. That's an insanely modern/left view with zero consideration to basically all historically socially accepted conservative views of the past. It's trendy to support sex workers online in 2020 but in the 2000s I'm pretty sure 95% of white suburbia wouldn't have wanted their daughters hanging out with sex work…

>That's an insanely modern/left view with zero consideration to basically all historically socially accepted conservative views of the past. No, not every culture in history has been saddled with the Judeo-Christian prejudice against women and their sexuality. Also, historically socially accepted "conservative" views include slavery, rule by divine right, child labor and trial by combat. A view having been held and t…

> A view having been held and taken for granted for a long time doesn't make it correct.

The leftist mob of blue Twitter checkmarks has been cancelling people since about... 2012? It's trendy to be pro sex work, anti-corporation in 2020.

The majority of people commenting online about how "pro sex work" they are do not have a sex worker in their life by a longshot. It's all theory/keyboard warrior/armchair activist stuff.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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As a guy, I'm cool with this kind of stuff. But what message does this send to girls who are not considered attractive enough or just don't want to do this kind of work? The message is that all the study, work, and effort to work in a meaningful career is a freaking joke, when all it takes is to be born a certain way and make huge amounts of money selling your body. On the other hand, we have a generation of young ma…

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Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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But what message does this send to girls I think the larger problem is the degree to which men refuse to engage women in a substantive intellectual fashion. I appear to be the highest ranked woman on HN. I've been here over a decade. It continues to be the case that most men don't really want to talk much with me unless they are hitting on me. This has proven to be a huge barrier to effective networking and a huge ba…

I don't mean to be personal or rude - I only say this because someone said it to me once and it helped me. Your experiences in comment threads are often a reflection of what YOU write. Hostile people get hostility, humble people often get humbleness in return. Looking at this comment thread, some of the problems you mention in this comment have come up and perhaps it's worth considering whether that is due to how you…

I've spent a lot of time in therapy. If it were somehow the way I write, I would be thrilled to pieces to learn that fact and correct it.

After nearly 11 years of being told things like "On the internet, no one knows you're a dog if you don't tell them" and having it suggested to me that if my gender is an issue, I should simply hide that fact, I'm pretty darn sure it's not the way I write. It's the way the world reacts to women.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Does the normalization of women getting rich and living lavish, bourgeoise lifestyles from selling their bodies help or hurt the perception of women? Even before OnlyFans blew up, people(both men and women) already looked down on women who did sex work for a living. What do you think happens from here when every girl and their grandmother's has an OnlyFans? That's something every guy will probably be thinking about n…

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I feel the same about those Twitch streamers. I really dislike opportunistic people trying to cash in on something they wouldn't be interested in if not for money. It cheapens the thing that is supposed to be a passion for others. Too many Twitch streamers and Youtubers who don't provide much value other than being a pretty face. The idea of Twitch was supposed to be rewarding gamers for their hard work and passion doing something that at first wasn't profitable at all to do full time until their efforts proved that a market was there. Now it's a glorified camwhore site.
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