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Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by sio8ohPi »

downerending wrote: post #93
mydongle wrote: post #62

As a guy, I'm cool with this kind of stuff. But what message does this send to girls who are not considered attractive enough or just don't want to do this kind of work? The message is that all the study, work, and effort to work in a meaningful career is a freaking joke, when all it takes is to be born a certain way and make huge amounts of money selling your body. On the other hand, we have a generation of young ma…

> what message does this send to girls who are not considered attractive enough Arguably this same message is also being sent to boys, who almost certainly aren't "attractive" enough to be paid in this medium. Aside from that, who is even paying these people? It's not like there's any dearth of free porn out there (or so I've heard). Unless it's someone rather famous or personally known to you, why bother?

Why support someone on Patreon? Why tip your waiter?

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by DoreenMichele »

BubRoss wrote: post #114
DoreenMichele wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of the many bullshit excuses I get for why it's okay for no one here to break with tradition and somehow find some way to reach out to me and help me solve this. It amounts to a silencing technique: We don't really want to know what poor people or women or whatever think. No opinions allowed except those of "the right kind of people" supported in "the right way" which pretty much guarantees that the statu…

As a gay poor woman, get over yourself. If you don't have a blog, start one. If you have one, write off topic thoughts there. No one is silencing you by not engaging in whatever you want to talk about in threads about specific articles. A lack of engagement and attention doesn't make you a victim. I don't go into a retirement home trying to sell skateboards and get upset because I think the world owes me something.

I have many blogs.

I don't think my remarks are in any way off topic.

They illustrate the problem space with a specific example.

I choose to use myself as the example because then I'm not doxxing other people, in essence. I can say as much or as little as I feel comfortable saying about myself.

You're ability to participate here is facilitated by the nearly 11 years I have spent here. I did a lot of laying of the groundwork to make it possible for women to open their mouths here more readily and participation by women is up.

Maybe use that ability that I helped make possible to do something other than piss all over me.

(Edit: For that matter, I have reason to believe my participation here also has made it easier for the LGBTQ crowd to participate more openly in part because I am not straight, though I don't comment very often on that fact.)

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by MuffinFlavored »

troughway wrote: post #103
sneak wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is that in any way depressing? Making others feel better via a personal connection is one of the most noble professions one can pursue. It’s a lot more important than meaningless “influencer marketing” covert advertising that exists only to make people buy shit they don’t need.

>Why is that in any way depressing? The connection is fake. The men are desperate. The women are sleazy.

> The connection is fake. The men are desperate. The women are sleazy.

I'm with you on the first two parts but the third one is going to get you slammed here. Women who perform sex work are held in equal/high regard by the members of this community.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by MuffinFlavored »

ausbah wrote: post #31

I am all for letting people do what they like with their bodies, but if people are trying to makes ends meet and they believe the only way of doing so is via selling pictures of their bodies - I think society has another massive moral failing on its hands and this probably an unrefined opinion, but I feel like firing a worker for running a NSFW OnlyFans account (or similar) would, if not should, run agrounds for sexu…

> I think society has another massive moral failing on its hands

Why? The outlook from the top comments on this thread are basically "all sex work is equal to any other work and sex workers should be held in equal regard to any other employee of any other field"

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by mnm1 »

mydongle wrote: post #62

As a guy, I'm cool with this kind of stuff. But what message does this send to girls who are not considered attractive enough or just don't want to do this kind of work? The message is that all the study, work, and effort to work in a meaningful career is a freaking joke, when all it takes is to be born a certain way and make huge amounts of money selling your body. On the other hand, we have a generation of young ma…

What message do professional athletes send to boys who are not athletic enough or don't want to play sports? The answer is the same as the answer to your question. None. Life is unfair and little boys and girls that don't yet grasp this concept need better parents and teachers. That's all.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by MuffinFlavored »

seibelj wrote: post #123

Who would have guessed so many people on HN are against individual freedom? There is absolutely zero ethically or morally wrong with someone selling sex, or buying sex from someone else. Or maybe we should ban pop music stars from revealing too much skin in their music videos? Where do you draw the line between "This is immoral!" and "Wow, what a successful person!" Just ignore it if you don't like it. No one puts a…

> There is absolutely zero ethically or morally wrong with someone selling sex, or buying sex from someone else.

That's an insanely modern/left view with zero consideration to basically all historically socially accepted conservative views of the past.

It's trendy to support sex workers online in 2020 but in the 2000s I'm pretty sure 95% of white suburbia wouldn't have wanted their daughters hanging out with sex workers.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by DoreenMichele »

mydongle wrote: post #127
DoreenMichele wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But what message does this send to girls I think the larger problem is the degree to which men refuse to engage women in a substantive intellectual fashion. I appear to be the highest ranked woman on HN. I've been here over a decade. It continues to be the case that most men don't really want to talk much with me unless they are hitting on me. This has proven to be a huge barrier to effective networking and a huge ba…

Does the normalization of women getting rich and living lavish, bourgeoise lifestyles from selling their bodies help or hurt the perception of women? Even before OnlyFans blew up, people(both men and women) already looked down on women who did sex work for a living. What do you think happens from here when every girl and their grandmother's has an OnlyFans? That's something every guy will probably be thinking about n…

I'm only voicing my concerns.

And I'm doing my best to address those concerns. In a nutshell, I'm saying it's sort of neither here nor there whether we normalize the practice of women getting rich via selling their bodies.

The general narrative goes something like this:

"It's bad for women to make good money off of sex. We should stamp out this practice because it is immoral."

Then I say "But how else can they make good money?" and I get told that's somehow beside the point.

It's not beside the point. It is the point.

If you want to empower women, worry about what is keeping them out of the C Suites of corporations and things like that. Don't worry about sex work. Worry about why trading on their looks or sexuality via sex work or in the course of being entertainers seems to be the only really good way for women to get rich on their own efforts.

Women often turn to sex work because it's the only way they can make adequate money. This is why you see so many single moms working as exotic dancers and the like.

Some of those women would do other things if it wasn't such a huge uphill battle.

That's all I'm trying to say.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by GaryNumanVevo »

remir wrote: post #122
GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Watching porn is healthy and normal. Like any form of entertainment it can be abused, but there isn't a moral panic about binge watching Netflix or video gaming. Like anything, it's best in moderation.

Watching porn is healthy and normal. I'd say pornography has been normalized over time, but I'm not convinced it's inoffensive. I won't polarize it and say it's bad. It is what it is, but I don't know if it can be categorized as healthy either.

If you think porn is offensive, that's fine. I don't think watching porn should be a public thing. It satiates a human need, just like eating fast food technically makes you full.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by downerending »

sio8ohPi wrote: post #131
downerending wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> what message does this send to girls who are not considered attractive enough Arguably this same message is also being sent to boys, who almost certainly aren't "attractive" enough to be paid in this medium. Aside from that, who is even paying these people? It's not like there's any dearth of free porn out there (or so I've heard). Unless it's someone rather famous or personally known to you, why bother?

Why support someone on Patreon? Why tip your waiter?

If there 1000 other waiters who appear to be perfectly thrilled to work without tips, why would I? If someone needs charity, I'd consider it, but I don't care to be "paid" with naked pictures in that case.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by EVdotIO »

downerending wrote: post #93
mydongle wrote: post #62

As a guy, I'm cool with this kind of stuff. But what message does this send to girls who are not considered attractive enough or just don't want to do this kind of work? The message is that all the study, work, and effort to work in a meaningful career is a freaking joke, when all it takes is to be born a certain way and make huge amounts of money selling your body. On the other hand, we have a generation of young ma…

> what message does this send to girls who are not considered attractive enough Arguably this same message is also being sent to boys, who almost certainly aren't "attractive" enough to be paid in this medium. Aside from that, who is even paying these people? It's not like there's any dearth of free porn out there (or so I've heard). Unless it's someone rather famous or personally known to you, why bother?

Ersatz desire and relationship. There is a huge market for it.
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