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OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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It is surprising as well as depressing that someone can get enough money to buy a house from OnlyFans payout. Goes to say how many people spend money on that kind of stuff. Instagram models living rich lifestyle is different as they endorse products and advertising is involved. This is just people paying to watch someones naked photos.

Why is that in any way depressing? Making others feel better via a personal connection is one of the most noble professions one can pursue.

It’s a lot more important than meaningless “influencer marketing” covert advertising that exists only to make people buy shit they don’t need.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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As a guy, I'm cool with this kind of stuff. But what message does this send to girls who are not considered attractive enough or just don't want to do this kind of work? The message is that all the study, work, and effort to work in a meaningful career is a freaking joke, when all it takes is to be born a certain way and make huge amounts of money selling your body. On the other hand, we have a generation of young ma…

But what message does this send to girls I think the larger problem is the degree to which men refuse to engage women in a substantive intellectual fashion. I appear to be the highest ranked woman on HN. I've been here over a decade. It continues to be the case that most men don't really want to talk much with me unless they are hitting on me. This has proven to be a huge barrier to effective networking and a huge ba…

>Because stamping out sex work doesn't magically open other doors. If it did, I would be fabulously wealthy because I have been celibate for medical reasons for fifteen years.

>Focusing on "But what is the message to girls here..." is the wrong focus. It doesn't solve the real problem women have.

Given the former statement, it is the right focus.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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post #101
post #100

It is surprising as well as depressing that someone can get enough money to buy a house from OnlyFans payout. Goes to say how many people spend money on that kind of stuff. Instagram models living rich lifestyle is different as they endorse products and advertising is involved. This is just people paying to watch someones naked photos.

Why is that in any way depressing? Making others feel better via a personal connection is one of the most noble professions one can pursue. It’s a lot more important than meaningless “influencer marketing” covert advertising that exists only to make people buy shit they don’t need.

>Why is that in any way depressing?

The connection is fake. The men are desperate. The women are sleazy.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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As a guy, I'm cool with this kind of stuff. But what message does this send to girls who are not considered attractive enough or just don't want to do this kind of work? The message is that all the study, work, and effort to work in a meaningful career is a freaking joke, when all it takes is to be born a certain way and make huge amounts of money selling your body. On the other hand, we have a generation of young ma…

But what message does this send to girls I think the larger problem is the degree to which men refuse to engage women in a substantive intellectual fashion. I appear to be the highest ranked woman on HN. I've been here over a decade. It continues to be the case that most men don't really want to talk much with me unless they are hitting on me. This has proven to be a huge barrier to effective networking and a huge ba…

Maybe you shouldn't write huge blocks of text about yourself in threads that are supposed to be focused on a specific topic.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But what message does this send to girls I think the larger problem is the degree to which men refuse to engage women in a substantive intellectual fashion. I appear to be the highest ranked woman on HN. I've been here over a decade. It continues to be the case that most men don't really want to talk much with me unless they are hitting on me. This has proven to be a huge barrier to effective networking and a huge ba…

My observation as an AMAB person: you are absolutely 100% correct in your overall assessment, but I think your perception of relative ease for men has a filter of survivorship bias. Women aren't given much chance in the first place, but men have to walk a narrow line to access those chances and stay in once they get there. That's if they can walk the line in the first place. The whole thing is a mess for everyone in…

but I think your perception of relative ease for men has a filter of survivorship bias

Please don't put words in my mouth. My life is hard enough without that.

I never expected anything to be easy. Just possible.

My Patreon sits at around $150/month and I get the occasional tip while I get accused of being a beggar for expecting pay for my writing at all when all other doors are effectively closed to me for various reasons.

I recently quit my local volunteer work in meat space because that, also, wasn't leading to an adequate income. It's a long, sordid tale, but boils down to the same problem dynamics I have everywhere: People value my work but don't want to pay me for it.

They end up thinking I do it because I "care" and and they are actively affronted by the idea that I want to make money at it. I get read as very motherly and all this shit and people want me to do things for them out of "love." Meanwhile, no one "loves" me enough to give a damn about the fact that I have literally gone hungry at times and literally had no housing for years. No one is doing a fundraiser for me out of compassion. Etc ad nauseum.

I don't think it's easy for me. But I do know it is possible for men and I'm just as competent as any man here and can't get the right doors open that lead to an adequate income while I am given a zillion excuses, which boils down to people justifying the awful way in which this community has treated me for more than a decade.

I know of a MtF trans youth who had no trouble whatsoever opening doors and getting money out of people here. I can't do the same and I am treated with enormous suspicion and contempt for even trying to figure it out.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But what message does this send to girls I think the larger problem is the degree to which men refuse to engage women in a substantive intellectual fashion. I appear to be the highest ranked woman on HN. I've been here over a decade. It continues to be the case that most men don't really want to talk much with me unless they are hitting on me. This has proven to be a huge barrier to effective networking and a huge ba…

>Because stamping out sex work doesn't magically open other doors. If it did, I would be fabulously wealthy because I have been celibate for medical reasons for fifteen years. >Focusing on "But what is the message to girls here..." is the wrong focus. It doesn't solve the real problem women have. Given the former statement, it is the right focus.

I have no idea what you are trying to say with that. Perhaps you could try to clarify so I can try to better communicate what my point of view is here.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But what message does this send to girls I think the larger problem is the degree to which men refuse to engage women in a substantive intellectual fashion. I appear to be the highest ranked woman on HN. I've been here over a decade. It continues to be the case that most men don't really want to talk much with me unless they are hitting on me. This has proven to be a huge barrier to effective networking and a huge ba…

Maybe you shouldn't write huge blocks of text about yourself in threads that are supposed to be focused on a specific topic.

This is one of the many bullshit excuses I get for why it's okay for no one here to break with tradition and somehow find some way to reach out to me and help me solve this. It amounts to a silencing technique: We don't really want to know what poor people or women or whatever think.

No opinions allowed except those of "the right kind of people" supported in "the right way" which pretty much guarantees that the status quo will be reinforced.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My observation as an AMAB person: you are absolutely 100% correct in your overall assessment, but I think your perception of relative ease for men has a filter of survivorship bias. Women aren't given much chance in the first place, but men have to walk a narrow line to access those chances and stay in once they get there. That's if they can walk the line in the first place. The whole thing is a mess for everyone in…

but I think your perception of relative ease for men has a filter of survivorship bias Please don't put words in my mouth. My life is hard enough without that. I never expected anything to be easy. Just possible. My Patreon sits at around $150/month and I get the occasional tip while I get accused of being a beggar for expecting pay for my writing at all when all other doors are effectively closed to me for various r…

I didn't realize you were talking about HN instead of in general. It's weird and fickle. One day you promote collective action on big problems and get lots of upvotes, the next you're run out as a traitor to capitalism. It sounds like you get all of the latter and none of the former.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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As I read some women in the article are making as much as a talented ivy league graduate who joins a tech company. It seems amoral to prevent them from making money, why don't we see it as a talent as we see "tech jobs" as talent? Can it really do more damage than what tech companies specially one who pedal ads and sell customer data and give people anxiety?

> why don't we see it as a talent as we see "tech jobs" as talent? Good damned question. Sex work is work.

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Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My observation as an AMAB person: you are absolutely 100% correct in your overall assessment, but I think your perception of relative ease for men has a filter of survivorship bias. Women aren't given much chance in the first place, but men have to walk a narrow line to access those chances and stay in once they get there. That's if they can walk the line in the first place. The whole thing is a mess for everyone in…

but I think your perception of relative ease for men has a filter of survivorship bias Please don't put words in my mouth. My life is hard enough without that. I never expected anything to be easy. Just possible. My Patreon sits at around $150/month and I get the occasional tip while I get accused of being a beggar for expecting pay for my writing at all when all other doors are effectively closed to me for various r…

I understand, I think, that life has certainly been unkind in many areas for you.

I know this is going to sound mean, given your context, but that is anecdotal.

I know (personally) women who have doors flung open for them for the fact that they are women. I don’t tend to agree with it, but I won’t judge those who take advantage.

I know at least one person who uses her femininity very effectively to fund her passion projects. She doesn’t sell her looks or body, she sells “feminity”, as in “an empathetic, sustainable approach to x”. It’s very effective for her at least.

With that in mind, I think the parent was being earnest.

Hardships happen, sadly what you’ve experienced is also experienced by many people, mostly men. Unfortunately they don’t have much of a voice.

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