As a guy, I'm cool with this kind of stuff. But what message does this send to girls who are not considered attractive enough or just don't want to do this kind of work? The message is that all the study, work, and effort to work in a meaningful career is a freaking joke, when all it takes is to be born a certain way and make huge amounts of money selling your body. On the other hand, we have a generation of young ma…
OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic
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#82Me neither.
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#83Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic
#84My problem with this is how it's marketed.
I happen to have found myself single earlier this year... and I would say 80% of the traffic on dating sites is these onlyfans/snapchat folks. The rest of the split is outright scammers and the occasional lonely heart peppered in.
The dating sites have a symbiotic relationship with these folks-- they need someone to draw users/payers in and this is the way to do it with the most plausible deniability.
Some dating sites are way more guilty than others, with a few being outright scams in my opinion (Hily is one that's a scam).
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The "moral failing" of society is the inability to provide for those who are hungry, under-housed, sick, not sex work. Is that not exactly what the OP said? You cannot in one breath be performatively outraged at someone's opinion and then immediately agree with it.
Clearly OP was linking selling photos of one's body to the moral failing. They make no mention of those systemic issues. "... they believe the only way of doing so is via selling pictures of their bodies - I think society has another massive moral failing on its hands" I don't agree that the moral failing is that people can earn money this way.
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your comment is exactly what I was expecting when I wrote mine. I'm not surprised to see it or the downvotes. Your Brain on Porn is written by a non-scientist with an axe to grind. > countless of self-reports by men in various "NoFap" communities make a pretty good case the porn-addiction is not a myth. Self-reports and anecdotes are not controlled, blinded studies. They're not scientific. They tell us nothing. If th…
Please follow the site guidelines when posting on divisive issues. There's no need to start with a swipe. The second bit ("non-scientist with an axe to grind") arguably breaks the guideline against name-calling in arguments, too. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
As far as name-calling, it was not my intention at all. If you aren't familiar, the creator of YourBrainOnPorn is literally not a scientist (he neither studies nor practices a science) and doesn't claim to be a scientist.
In describing him as I did, I didn't see any distinction from the descriptions on HN about anti-vaxxers or climate-change deniers.
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
again, that's not what I'm saying. if someone wants to sell nudes, go for it. however I see an issue in having someone who had no desire to do so, but feels compelled to so just to get by
> someone who had no desire to do so, but feels compelled to so just to get by is the definition of work for most people. How is this different?
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#88As a guy, I'm cool with this kind of stuff. But what message does this send to girls who are not considered attractive enough or just don't want to do this kind of work? The message is that all the study, work, and effort to work in a meaningful career is a freaking joke, when all it takes is to be born a certain way and make huge amounts of money selling your body. On the other hand, we have a generation of young ma…
I think the larger problem is the degree to which men refuse to engage women in a substantive intellectual fashion.
I appear to be the highest ranked woman on HN. I've been here over a decade. It continues to be the case that most men don't really want to talk much with me unless they are hitting on me.
This has proven to be a huge barrier to effective networking and a huge barrier to turning my participation into an adequate income, something men seem to have no trouble doing here if they so desire.
I am not against sex work. But I have a very big problem with the degree to which other earning opportunities are lacking for women because of this dynamic where simply being female means no one wants to take your work seriously.
I don't think it helps to put a stop to sex work. All that does is make women prisoners of their men because then earning it on your back by "marrying well" becomes the only really viable means to have an adequate income for a woman when so many career doors that aren't sex work are so hard to force open if you are female and sex work is vilified as immoral and often is made illegal as well.
I have been talking for many years on HN about my desire to establish an adequate earned income via the internet because of my medical situation. I was homeless for nearly six years of that and I have had people tell me I was "panhandling the internet" and things like that.
I was told for years "Get a real job" when men here who are trying to make money online don't get told the same thing.
I get treated like I'm just a whiner, not someone with a legitimate complaint or legitimate social observation, etc ad nauseum.
If you really are concerned about the status of women, you should be much more concerned about the myriad social factors that make sex work one of the few ways women can reliably make a good income.
Because stamping out sex work doesn't magically open other doors. If it did, I would be fabulously wealthy because I have been celibate for medical reasons for fifteen years. If this were not true, I likely would have moved to Nevada, where sex work is legal, and made a killing to pay off my debts and come up with enough money to pay cash for a house or at least a down payment on a house.
Sex work is not a viable option for me and I'm no longer amenable to the idea for various reasons. But solving my financial problems shouldn't be this hard. I have six years of college and yadda. But I can't make the same connections men make and that's a huge barrier to trying to establish an adequate income.
This is true whether we ban sex work or not. Focusing on "But what is the message to girls here..." is the wrong focus. It doesn't solve the real problem women have.
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#89As a guy, I'm cool with this kind of stuff. But what message does this send to girls who are not considered attractive enough or just don't want to do this kind of work? The message is that all the study, work, and effort to work in a meaningful career is a freaking joke, when all it takes is to be born a certain way and make huge amounts of money selling your body. On the other hand, we have a generation of young ma…
Couldn't the same be said about intelligence?
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, we're thinking of the same website. I've been around on 4chan long enough to know that "troll" most often is equivalent to what the site really feels, or at least some of the people on there. The "troll" or "satire" label is only there to try to evoke plausible deniability - as in the case of "for legal purposes my call for violence against this person is a joke". i.e. the sorts of people - in general - who brow…
The way I read it, 4chan is like a concentrated version of what it was like to be a teenager at the edge of society. You stir the pot and feed off the energy that people respond with. If you live in a Christian conservative community, you leave pamphlets full of gay porn outside church. In a progressive community, you make racist websites about interracial dating. They aren’t pro gay porn or pro racism, they’re pro g…
Which teenagers and which edge of society, I'm fairly certain they're not all the same. Also your post is what every reader of 4chan says when the discussion comes up.