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OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by rewoi »

thow16161 wrote: post #12
rewoi wrote: post #7

Interesting I read yesterday that OnlyFans started banning for nudes and is refunding customers. Some models lost thousands of dollars. Running porn site requires a lot of paperwork and is relatively risky.

Do you have a citation for this? My SO is a camgirl with an onlyfans. She's transitioned from mostly live streaming on MFC to mostly doing shoots and vids for OnlyFans. OnlyFans has become a substantial part of her income.

Twitter, but will not post links here, should be searchable. I think it will follow Premium Snapchat and similar platforms...

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by smt88 »

jseliger wrote: post #16
marpstar wrote: post #14

My opinion: Porn is the new drug. Our daughters are the dealers and our sons are the users. Sex addiction fueled by free internet porn has ruined countless lives. At least OnlyFans is behind a paywall, keeping it out of view of children.

Sex addiction fueled by free internet porn has ruined countless lives. I would like to see a citation on this. Moral panics around sexuality are at least a couple centuries old, and technologies that are said to have contributed to or created them include the printing press, radio, the bicycle, the car, TV, movies, magazines, and now the Internet. For many of the earlier technologies, Gay Talese's book Thy Neighbor's…

Nicole Prause is a lucid, pioneering researcher on such issues, and she has spent a lot of time debunking myths like the one GP proposes.

One write-up here: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/understanding-the-er...

(She has unfortunately become a target of certain right-wing elements, so if you Google her, you will find a lot of non-scientific attacks. You should read her publications directly and form your own opinion.)

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by roosterdawn »

generalpass wrote: post #2

This was among my first thoughts when the first unemployment report came out. We are sending our daughters to OnlyFans. Still not sure where our sons end up.

There was a relatively viral tweet I saw a few weeks ago saying "Gen Z career options: Fulfillment Center worker or OnlyFans" with gendered undertones. For what it's worth, though, while less common, it's not that rare to see men have (and quite successful) OnlyFans. But I agree with the economic sentiment of what you're saying. It's hard not to believe that we're seeing the middle class being completely hollowed out during this pandemic.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by _1qd4 »

econcon wrote: post #20

As I read some women in the article are making as much as a talented ivy league graduate who joins a tech company. It seems amoral to prevent them from making money, why don't we see it as a talent as we see "tech jobs" as talent? Can it really do more damage than what tech companies specially one who pedal ads and sell customer data and give people anxiety?

The message this sends to girls is that if you’re pretty, this is the easiest way to make a lot of money. It damages the work of people who have spent decades trying to get women to be valued for things other than their bodies.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by marpstar »

jseliger wrote: post #16
marpstar wrote: post #14

My opinion: Porn is the new drug. Our daughters are the dealers and our sons are the users. Sex addiction fueled by free internet porn has ruined countless lives. At least OnlyFans is behind a paywall, keeping it out of view of children.

Sex addiction fueled by free internet porn has ruined countless lives. I would like to see a citation on this. Moral panics around sexuality are at least a couple centuries old, and technologies that are said to have contributed to or created them include the printing press, radio, the bicycle, the car, TV, movies, magazines, and now the Internet. For many of the earlier technologies, Gay Talese's book Thy Neighbor's…

I'm not making a moral argument. I'm making a "porn is bad for mental health" argument. Plenty of research out there: https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/research/

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Post by asguy »

vzidex wrote: post #10
generalpass wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I observe this to be a narrative that many are pushing, but I don't see it anywhere IRL or even the proverbial data. I suspect they just fall out of statistics and into depression.

Anecdotally, I see it in lots of places - I was a part of those types of communities when I was younger (I'm better now, and I _think_ I'm reasonably well-adjusted), but I still keep tabs on those corners of the internet so I know what's going on, and can be prepared if/when they bubble over in a meaningful way. I see lots of hateful activity, from "boogaloo" groups that hide their violence fetish behind euphemisms a…

If we’re thinking of the same thing (related to ‘coal’) thats looking like it’s a 4chan troll site.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by marpstar »

smt88 wrote: post #17
marpstar wrote: post #14

My opinion: Porn is the new drug. Our daughters are the dealers and our sons are the users. Sex addiction fueled by free internet porn has ruined countless lives. At least OnlyFans is behind a paywall, keeping it out of view of children.

What makes you think porn is new?

Porn isn't new, obviously. But there's a big difference between finding a stack of your grandpa's Playboys 30 years ago and having a never-ending stream of high-resolution video. Worlds apart as far as the effects on the brain go. Read the research: https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/research/

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by vzidex »

liamcardenas wrote: post #18
vzidex wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We know already where it heads - to young men being radicalized to hate everyone who isn't like them (i.e. not young, male, angry, usually white, usually straight).

This would’ve been a good comment if you had left out the part in the parentheses. I’d say it’s more of a class thing. They will be angry at the the ruling class and wealthy. I don’t think they are going to be taking it out on old ladies...

That's what you'd hope for, but in practice that's not what I'm seeing. The anger I see online is directed at politicians in some cases - but usually for said politicians supporting social programs, pro-immigration policies, and anti-gun policies.

In the rest of cases, anger is indeed directed at LGBTQ+ people - especially towards trans people - people of color - especially blacks, and increasingly Asians - and women - especially those who are viewed as "promiscuous".

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by vzidex »

asguy wrote: post #26
vzidex wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdotally, I see it in lots of places - I was a part of those types of communities when I was younger (I'm better now, and I _think_ I'm reasonably well-adjusted), but I still keep tabs on those corners of the internet so I know what's going on, and can be prepared if/when they bubble over in a meaningful way. I see lots of hateful activity, from "boogaloo" groups that hide their violence fetish behind euphemisms a…

If we’re thinking of the same thing (related to ‘coal’) thats looking like it’s a 4chan troll site.

Yes, we're thinking of the same website.

I've been around on 4chan long enough to know that "troll" most often is equivalent to what the site really feels, or at least some of the people on there. The "troll" or "satire" label is only there to try to evoke plausible deniability - as in the case of "for legal purposes my call for violence against this person is a joke".

i.e. the sorts of people - in general - who browse the more unsavory parts of 4chan/8chan/etc are very fond of their dogwhistles.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by buffin »

jseliger wrote: post #16
marpstar wrote: post #14

My opinion: Porn is the new drug. Our daughters are the dealers and our sons are the users. Sex addiction fueled by free internet porn has ruined countless lives. At least OnlyFans is behind a paywall, keeping it out of view of children.

Sex addiction fueled by free internet porn has ruined countless lives. I would like to see a citation on this. Moral panics around sexuality are at least a couple centuries old, and technologies that are said to have contributed to or created them include the printing press, radio, the bicycle, the car, TV, movies, magazines, and now the Internet. For many of the earlier technologies, Gay Talese's book Thy Neighbor's…

Although i don't have any citations of scientific research, but it shouldn't be hard to find. I am not concerned about moral implications. But it sure is addictive. Head over to r/NoFap on Reddit, you'll find many first hand tales of how Porn has played an important role in ruining their lives.
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