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Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by boatmeal »

vzidex wrote: post #28
liamcardenas wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This would’ve been a good comment if you had left out the part in the parentheses. I’d say it’s more of a class thing. They will be angry at the the ruling class and wealthy. I don’t think they are going to be taking it out on old ladies...

That's what you'd hope for, but in practice that's not what I'm seeing. The anger I see online is directed at politicians in some cases - but usually for said politicians supporting social programs, pro-immigration policies, and anti-gun policies. In the rest of cases, anger is indeed directed at LGBTQ+ people - especially towards trans people - people of color - especially blacks, and increasingly Asians - and women…

This is entirely due to a weird filter bubble you've created for yourself.

You're focused on the 0.01% of people lurking on 4chan and not the mainstream news media which always come from a worldview assuming the wealthy are evil, men are evil and white people are evil and that all inequalities in the world are due to these evil people getting something at the expense of others and calling for more and more policies to harm this group to give more power and wealth to others.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

#52

Post by GaryNumanVevo »

marpstar wrote: post #45
GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Watching porn is healthy and normal. Like any form of entertainment it can be abused, but there isn't a moral panic about binge watching Netflix or video gaming. Like anything, it's best in moderation.

Do people really think that watching other people have sex is "healthy"?

Sure, it's a safe way to explore one's sexuality.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

#53

Post by bJGVygG7MQVF8c »

GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #40
ausbah wrote: post #31

I am all for letting people do what they like with their bodies, but if people are trying to makes ends meet and they believe the only way of doing so is via selling pictures of their bodies - I think society has another massive moral failing on its hands and this probably an unrefined opinion, but I feel like firing a worker for running a NSFW OnlyFans account (or similar) would, if not should, run agrounds for sexu…

You cannot in one breath say you're "all for" something then immediately caveat it. The "moral failing" of society is the inability to provide for those who are hungry, under-housed, sick, not sex work. People clearly cannot make ends meet due to a global pandemic, massive unemployment, all within a system with increasingly restricted upward mobility.

> The "moral failing" of society is the inability to provide for those who are hungry, under-housed, sick, not sex work.

Is that not exactly what the OP said?

You cannot in one breath be performatively outraged at someone's opinion and then immediately agree with it.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

#54

Post by bJGVygG7MQVF8c »

happytoexplain wrote: post #48
ausbah wrote: post #31

I am all for letting people do what they like with their bodies, but if people are trying to makes ends meet and they believe the only way of doing so is via selling pictures of their bodies - I think society has another massive moral failing on its hands and this probably an unrefined opinion, but I feel like firing a worker for running a NSFW OnlyFans account (or similar) would, if not should, run agrounds for sexu…

It's crazy to me how ubiquitous the assumption is that any kind of sex work, even something as tame as nude photography, must be considered an unhappy last resort by any woman engaging in it.

It's a pretty lazy assumption to assume that assumption. Why not set the bar higher for oneself?

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by smt88 »

mikevm wrote: post #42
smt88 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nicole Prause is a lucid, pioneering researcher on such issues, and she has spent a lot of time debunking myths like the one GP proposes. One write-up here: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/understanding-the-er... (She has unfortunately become a target of certain right-wing elements, so if you Google her, you will find a lot of non-scientific attacks. You should read her publications directly and form your own…

Nicole Prause did no myth busting, and your blaming of "right-wing elements" on disagreements with her is downright disingeneous. See https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/relevant-research-and-articl... I think that the recent scientific articles cited on https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/ and the countless of self-reports by men in various "NoFap" communities make a pretty good case the porn-addiction is not a myth. Also,…

Your comment is exactly what I was expecting when I wrote mine. I'm not surprised to see it or the downvotes.

Your Brain on Porn is written by a non-scientist with an axe to grind.

> countless of self-reports by men in various "NoFap" communities make a pretty good case the porn-addiction is not a myth.

Self-reports and anecdotes are not controlled, blinded studies. They're not scientific. They tell us nothing.

If that kind of data were scientific, then we'd all be 100% certain that drinking certain herbal teas cures 50% of the flu, or that marijuana use has a causal relationship with using cocaine.

Sex and porn addiction may or may not be a myth, but the thing that Prause debunks in her various research is that the availability of porn and sex causes those addictions.

What researchers have found is that excessive, obsessive, and/or life-damaging usage of porn and sex are due to existing mental health issues. You don't have a healthy, happy man in a relationship suddenly see extreme porn for the first time and then stop going to work.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by smt88 »

marpstar wrote: post #27
smt88 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you think porn is new?

Porn isn't new, obviously. But there's a big difference between finding a stack of your grandpa's Playboys 30 years ago and having a never-ending stream of high-resolution video. Worlds apart as far as the effects on the brain go. Read the research: https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/research/

I have read that website and the studies on it. I went through it in some detail with a friend who went through a breakup due to her boyfriend's excessive porn use.

The current scientific consensus[1] is the following:

- porn addiction and sex addiction may be real; the issue is still up for debate, although there wasn't enough evidence to consider porn addiction its own disorder yet

- excessive porn or sex are devastatingly harmful to some people, regardless of whether they're technically an addiction or not

- there are different causes for excessive uses of porn, some of which look like compulsive disorders, while others look like "hypersexuality" (abnormally high sex drive)

- there is no evidence that the increase in porn quality or availability are responsible for destructive porn usage

1. https://www.apa.org/monitor/2014/04/pornography

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by lostmsu »

marpstar wrote: post #27
smt88 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you think porn is new?

Porn isn't new, obviously. But there's a big difference between finding a stack of your grandpa's Playboys 30 years ago and having a never-ending stream of high-resolution video. Worlds apart as far as the effects on the brain go. Read the research: https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/research/

That site can not be used as a credible source, as it does not list any research contrary to its agenda.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by [deleted] »

vzidex wrote: post #28
liamcardenas wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This would’ve been a good comment if you had left out the part in the parentheses. I’d say it’s more of a class thing. They will be angry at the the ruling class and wealthy. I don’t think they are going to be taking it out on old ladies...

That's what you'd hope for, but in practice that's not what I'm seeing. The anger I see online is directed at politicians in some cases - but usually for said politicians supporting social programs, pro-immigration policies, and anti-gun policies. In the rest of cases, anger is indeed directed at LGBTQ+ people - especially towards trans people - people of color - especially blacks, and increasingly Asians - and women…

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Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

#59

Post by ausbah »

happytoexplain wrote: post #48
ausbah wrote: post #31

I am all for letting people do what they like with their bodies, but if people are trying to makes ends meet and they believe the only way of doing so is via selling pictures of their bodies - I think society has another massive moral failing on its hands and this probably an unrefined opinion, but I feel like firing a worker for running a NSFW OnlyFans account (or similar) would, if not should, run agrounds for sexu…

It's crazy to me how ubiquitous the assumption is that any kind of sex work, even something as tame as nude photography, must be considered an unhappy last resort by any woman engaging in it.

this isn't quite what I was trying to say, I should've been more specific. I was more trying to say that I think bodily autonomy is a such a important part of a person's identity that a person should never feel pressure to unwillingly give up their bodily autonomy

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

#60

Post by GaryNumanVevo »

bJGVygG7MQVF8c wrote: post #53
GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You cannot in one breath say you're "all for" something then immediately caveat it. The "moral failing" of society is the inability to provide for those who are hungry, under-housed, sick, not sex work. People clearly cannot make ends meet due to a global pandemic, massive unemployment, all within a system with increasingly restricted upward mobility.

> The "moral failing" of society is the inability to provide for those who are hungry, under-housed, sick, not sex work. Is that not exactly what the OP said? You cannot in one breath be performatively outraged at someone's opinion and then immediately agree with it.

Clearly OP was linking selling photos of one's body to the moral failing. They make no mention of those systemic issues.

"... they believe the only way of doing so is via selling pictures of their bodies - I think society has another massive moral failing on its hands"

I don't agree that the moral failing is that people can earn money this way.

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