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Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by saagarjha »

_1qd4 wrote: post #24
econcon wrote: post #20

As I read some women in the article are making as much as a talented ivy league graduate who joins a tech company. It seems amoral to prevent them from making money, why don't we see it as a talent as we see "tech jobs" as talent? Can it really do more damage than what tech companies specially one who pedal ads and sell customer data and give people anxiety?

The message this sends to girls is that if you’re pretty, this is the easiest way to make a lot of money. It damages the work of people who have spent decades trying to get women to be valued for things other than their bodies.

Men often do physical labor, something which they are on average physiologically better at. We don't discourage them from doing that because we "only value men for their bodies".

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by nelaboras »

krapp wrote: post #64
mydongle wrote: post #62

As a guy, I'm cool with this kind of stuff. But what message does this send to girls who are not considered attractive enough or just don't want to do this kind of work? The message is that all the study, work, and effort to work in a meaningful career is a freaking joke, when all it takes is to be born a certain way and make huge amounts of money selling your body. On the other hand, we have a generation of young ma…

Society already sends girls the message that their greatest asset is their looks, and their value in society is their ability to attract a man. That beautiful women don't have to work hard to make money or succeed in society isn't exactly a revelation to anyone. Society already also sends boys the message that their greatest value lies in their sexual exploits, and that as long as they have money and power and are ag…

I doubt that good looking women have such an easy life as you seem to think. Being attractive goes along with sexual harassment from the early teens onwards - stares, commdnts, unwanted touching, .. This doesn't stop until they turn 40+. I've seen 12(ish) year olds or moms with small children getting lewd comments.

In later years attractive women struggle exactly because of the trope you describe - all their achievements are doubted because others think those are just due to their looks and genetic lottery. And they can never be sure whether a male offer of support is genuine kindness or collegiality or an attempt to get in their pants.

Another example: I travel 2x/month for work. When I do I go for runs, roam late around the neighbourhoods of unknown areas to take photos, grab a beer and chat with locals, etc. I dont have to fear too much harm beyond a robbery. My female colleagues all have a very similar travel schedule but they don't see or experience nearly as much of the cities they travel to, simply because as a woman you have to fear much more for your bodily integrity than us men.

Not saying anyone is really at fault here (except our fellow men that don't respect boundaries/common decency) or that being unattractive is better (especially for women that has its own downsides) but it definitely is not all rainbow and sunshine just because a woman has good looks. Be kind to all, whether beautiful or not.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by kanox »

saagarjha wrote: post #71
_1qd4 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The message this sends to girls is that if you’re pretty, this is the easiest way to make a lot of money. It damages the work of people who have spent decades trying to get women to be valued for things other than their bodies.

Men often do physical labor, something which they are on average physiologically better at. We don't discourage them from doing that because we "only value men for their bodies".

Physical labor is very commonly looked down upon.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by sometw »

newbie789 wrote: post #68
sometw wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll bite and talk about the subject, since I've been involved in that community as both a buyer and sort-of-seller (Helped a ManyVids star rise to the top 20 in their category with feedback, strategy and ehem... 'collaborations' but I'll get back to that) I don't find sex work in and of itself immoral. That is of course an opinion. On the other hand... It's another subculture in and of itself. And unfortunately, it'…

> And I've had MULTIPLE sellers violate my consent in hypnosis sessions. I'm not really familiar with this space, so forgive me if this is a dumb question, but what does this refer to? Do people buy hypnotism from cam folksover video chat? And if so, what would constitute a breach of consent? If that's too personal to ask, I apologize and respect your privacy. I genuinely know nothing about hypnotism, and it's been q…

> Do people buy hypnotism from cam folksover video chat? And if so, what would constitute a breach of consent?

Well it's like anything else in that trade, some people like live, some would rather pre-order custom made content. Hypnosis is a big rabbit hole I'd rather not get too far into and we're already on the fringe of HN's overton window. One example might be trying to implant suggestions to give them more money.

Maybe the best analogy would be that a good hypnotist is a almost like a FAANG in living human form; They're just trying to convince you to do/think something. And, well, there's some things you just don't want to be sold. :)

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by KittenInABox »

_1qd4 wrote: post #24
econcon wrote: post #20

As I read some women in the article are making as much as a talented ivy league graduate who joins a tech company. It seems amoral to prevent them from making money, why don't we see it as a talent as we see "tech jobs" as talent? Can it really do more damage than what tech companies specially one who pedal ads and sell customer data and give people anxiety?

The message this sends to girls is that if you’re pretty, this is the easiest way to make a lot of money. It damages the work of people who have spent decades trying to get women to be valued for things other than their bodies.

Looking pretty can be a lot of work.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by diffrinse »

sometw wrote: post #49
econcon wrote: post #20

As I read some women in the article are making as much as a talented ivy league graduate who joins a tech company. It seems amoral to prevent them from making money, why don't we see it as a talent as we see "tech jobs" as talent? Can it really do more damage than what tech companies specially one who pedal ads and sell customer data and give people anxiety?

I'll bite and talk about the subject, since I've been involved in that community as both a buyer and sort-of-seller (Helped a ManyVids star rise to the top 20 in their category with feedback, strategy and ehem... 'collaborations' but I'll get back to that) I don't find sex work in and of itself immoral. That is of course an opinion. On the other hand... It's another subculture in and of itself. And unfortunately, it'…

Do you think the lack substantive social acceptance for sex work drives this behavior to an extent (you mention "living on the edge of acceptable behavior"), e.g. either side can cheat and leverage the risk of public exposure no matter how small (enough to prevent you from communicating with customer service)

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by pehtis »

ausbah wrote: post #65
GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? Selling nudes is the epitome of bodily autonomy, if they want to sell nudes, they should be allowed to because they own their own body.

again, that's not what I'm saying. if someone wants to sell nudes, go for it. however I see an issue in having someone who had no desire to do so, but feels compelled to so just to get by

> someone who had no desire to do so, but feels compelled to so just to get by

is the definition of work for most people. How is this different?

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by saagarjha »

kanox wrote: post #73
saagarjha wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Men often do physical labor, something which they are on average physiologically better at. We don't discourage them from doing that because we "only value men for their bodies".

Physical labor is very commonly looked down upon.

Not in the way that sex work is.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by michaelbrave »

_1qd4 wrote: post #24
econcon wrote: post #20

As I read some women in the article are making as much as a talented ivy league graduate who joins a tech company. It seems amoral to prevent them from making money, why don't we see it as a talent as we see "tech jobs" as talent? Can it really do more damage than what tech companies specially one who pedal ads and sell customer data and give people anxiety?

The message this sends to girls is that if you’re pretty, this is the easiest way to make a lot of money. It damages the work of people who have spent decades trying to get women to be valued for things other than their bodies.

I once heard something from someone I never want to agree with but it was a decent point. If intelligence is part of the biological lottery and we value it as an employer for all the advantages it could bring your business, then it's fair to think that someone who is attractive has won a similar genetic lottery and it could bring similar benefits to your business.

It's something I want to disagree with, except I can see that there is more truth to it than not, even if it goes against what I believe the world should be.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by GaryNumanVevo »

rdruxn wrote: post #70
GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, it's a safe way to explore one's sexuality.

How can you claim that porn is safe? You're completely sweeping porn addiction under the rug. Viewing porn itself is not inherently unhealthy, but to make a claim that it's safe is at minimum misleading.

Like anything, it's best in moderation. Is driving a car "safe" by your standard? Porn addiction is real, but often caused by other issues in one's life such as alienation, etc.
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