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It's crazy to me how ubiquitous the assumption is that any kind of sex work, even something as tame as nude photography, must be considered an unhappy last resort by any woman engaging in it.
this isn't quite what I was trying to say, I should've been more specific. I was more trying to say that I think bodily autonomy is a such a important part of a person's identity that a person should never feel pressure to unwillingly give up their bodily autonomy
OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic
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Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic
#62On the other hand, we have a generation of young males who will be trapped in this vampiric system where their money and time are spent on girls who wouldn't even look at them if they crossed paths on the street, instead of going out there and building real relationships.
I'm just generalizing of course, don't think I'm saying this applies to everyone. But man, we are so fucked.
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Nicole Prause did no myth busting, and your blaming of "right-wing elements" on disagreements with her is downright disingeneous. See https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/relevant-research-and-articl... I think that the recent scientific articles cited on https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/ and the countless of self-reports by men in various "NoFap" communities make a pretty good case the porn-addiction is not a myth. Also,…
Your comment is exactly what I was expecting when I wrote mine. I'm not surprised to see it or the downvotes. Your Brain on Porn is written by a non-scientist with an axe to grind. > countless of self-reports by men in various "NoFap" communities make a pretty good case the porn-addiction is not a myth. Self-reports and anecdotes are not controlled, blinded studies. They're not scientific. They tell us nothing. If th…
This is plainly ad-hominem and argument from authority. There are also plenty of scientists who publish junk papers, with poor methodology and/or statistics.
> What researchers have found is that excessive, obsessive, and/or life-damaging usage of porn and sex are due to existing mental health issues. You don't have a healthy, happy man in a relationship suddenly see extreme porn for the first time and then stop going to work.
This is nonsense, and it is quite clear that you have not read much about this. These issues are mainly affecting men who have been watching porn since an early age. Plenty of stories here: https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/rebooting-accounts/
> Self-reports and anecdotes are not controlled, blinded studies. They're not scientific. They tell us nothing.
This is dogmatic and silly. There are various fields where the science is lagging behind and it takes quite a while to catch up. Let me post a quote from Gary Wilson's book (which I highly recommend, despite him not being a scientist):
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> Quitting internet porn is the equivalent of removing refined sugar or trans-fats from your diet. It is simply the elimination of a form of entertainment that no one had until recently, and everyone got along without. As one porn user said,
> Here is the schema:
> 1. Exciting, but bad-in-long-term behaviour is introduced for money.
> 2. People get hooked.
> 3. Precise, scientifically backed-up research takes decades to kick-in.
> 4. Hooked people start to get educated.
> 5. They start behaviour-elimination.
> > Problem is that this whole cycle is so damaging. Cigarettes were (widely) introduced in the early 20th century and took decades to regulate. We now know that certain types of foods are harmful. Yet, with food we are still in phase 2-3. Guess where we are with pornography? The useful scientific research is not even a few years old.
> A consensus about the risks of high-speed internet porn could be decades off despite the efforts of urologists such as Cornell Medical School professor and author Harry Fisch, MD, who warns that too much porn use can make it ‘significantly more difficult’ to get aroused and stay aroused during real sex.[181] Most of society will need a lot longer to get up to speed.
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> If that kind of data were scientific, then we'd all be 100% certain that drinking certain herbal teas cures 50% of the flu, or that marijuana use has a causal relationship with using cocaine.
The difference is that stopping using porn and waiting for your symptoms to improve is different from taking supplements. You just eliminate a single variable and watch the results.
> Sex and porn addiction may or may not be a myth, but the thing that Prause debunks in her various research is that the availability of porn and sex causes those addictions.
Sorry, but once again, she did not debunk anything with that 2015 study of hers, in fact its results suggests that porn does affect the brain. I've already linked to criticism of her research, and you have clearly not addressed any of it.
P.S. I'm an atheist and don't have any moral issues with porn, so I have no axe to grind here.
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#64As a guy, I'm cool with this kind of stuff. But what message does this send to girls who are not considered attractive enough or just don't want to do this kind of work? The message is that all the study, work, and effort to work in a meaningful career is a freaking joke, when all it takes is to be born a certain way and make huge amounts of money selling your body. On the other hand, we have a generation of young ma…
Society already also sends boys the message that their greatest value lies in their sexual exploits, and that as long as they have money and power and are aggressive enough, sex with beautiful women is their just and deserved reward.
Both of these signals are primarily sent through popular media, and their purpose is to reinforce outdated notions of both masculinity and femininity, and superficial and exploitative ideals of relationships and sex which lend themselves more readily to consumerism and commercial exploitation.
None of this is in any way new.
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
this isn't quite what I was trying to say, I should've been more specific. I was more trying to say that I think bodily autonomy is a such a important part of a person's identity that a person should never feel pressure to unwillingly give up their bodily autonomy
What? Selling nudes is the epitome of bodily autonomy, if they want to sell nudes, they should be allowed to because they own their own body.
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Nicole Prause is a lucid, pioneering researcher on such issues, and she has spent a lot of time debunking myths like the one GP proposes. One write-up here: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/understanding-the-er... (She has unfortunately become a target of certain right-wing elements, so if you Google her, you will find a lot of non-scientific attacks. You should read her publications directly and form your own…
Nicole Prause did no myth busting, and your blaming of "right-wing elements" on disagreements with her is downright disingeneous. See https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/relevant-research-and-articl... I think that the recent scientific articles cited on https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/ and the countless of self-reports by men in various "NoFap" communities make a pretty good case the porn-addiction is not a myth. Also,…
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nicole Prause did no myth busting, and your blaming of "right-wing elements" on disagreements with her is downright disingeneous. See https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/relevant-research-and-articl... I think that the recent scientific articles cited on https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/ and the countless of self-reports by men in various "NoFap" communities make a pretty good case the porn-addiction is not a myth. Also,…
Your comment is exactly what I was expecting when I wrote mine. I'm not surprised to see it or the downvotes. Your Brain on Porn is written by a non-scientist with an axe to grind. > countless of self-reports by men in various "NoFap" communities make a pretty good case the porn-addiction is not a myth. Self-reports and anecdotes are not controlled, blinded studies. They're not scientific. They tell us nothing. If th…
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#68As I read some women in the article are making as much as a talented ivy league graduate who joins a tech company. It seems amoral to prevent them from making money, why don't we see it as a talent as we see "tech jobs" as talent? Can it really do more damage than what tech companies specially one who pedal ads and sell customer data and give people anxiety?
I'll bite and talk about the subject, since I've been involved in that community as both a buyer and sort-of-seller (Helped a ManyVids star rise to the top 20 in their category with feedback, strategy and ehem... 'collaborations' but I'll get back to that) I don't find sex work in and of itself immoral. That is of course an opinion. On the other hand... It's another subculture in and of itself. And unfortunately, it'…
I'm not really familiar with this space, so forgive me if this is a dumb question, but what does this refer to?
Do people buy hypnotism from cam folksover video chat? And if so, what would constitute a breach of consent?
If that's too personal to ask, I apologize and respect your privacy.
I genuinely know nothing about hypnotism, and it's been quite a few years since any of my friends were camming, so I'm genuinely curious.
Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic
#69As a guy, I'm cool with this kind of stuff. But what message does this send to girls who are not considered attractive enough or just don't want to do this kind of work? The message is that all the study, work, and effort to work in a meaningful career is a freaking joke, when all it takes is to be born a certain way and make huge amounts of money selling your body. On the other hand, we have a generation of young ma…
Society already sends girls the message that their greatest asset is their looks, and their value in society is their ability to attract a man. That beautiful women don't have to work hard to make money or succeed in society isn't exactly a revelation to anyone. Society already also sends boys the message that their greatest value lies in their sexual exploits, and that as long as they have money and power and are ag…
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Do people really think that watching other people have sex is "healthy"?
Sure, it's a safe way to explore one's sexuality.