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GM self-driving tech unit Cruise laying off about 8% of staff

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Re: GM self-driving tech unit Cruise laying off about 8% of staff

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Remember (approx. 6 months ago) when we were seriously, unironically worried that all menial labor jobs would be taken by AI? Now we're worried about all the AI jobs disappearing.

I don't think anyone was/is really worried about either one of those. Additionally the majority of these cuts were administrative/non-engineering positions and of the cuts that were engineering most were not AI related.

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Remember (approx. 6 months ago) when we were seriously, unironically worried that all menial labor jobs would be taken by AI? Now we're worried about all the AI jobs disappearing.

Almost 40 percent of those in households making less than $40,000 a year had lost a job in March. Tech sector has had it easy so far.

It's going to be a bit weird because a lot of those should come back because the underlying business didn't suddenly become nonviable.

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There are 7,500,000,000 people in the world. A lot more than 800 of them are good at their jobs.

800 hires a year means ~15 people starting every week. Every one of those 800 positions likely received hundreds of resumes, which needed to be sifted through. Then you need to have calls with each candidate, narrow down the pool further. Then all the onsite rounds. For an initial team of 200 that is an impossible task.

The "initial" 200 people don't hire the next 800, they hire the next 1.

Then the 201 people hire the next 1, and the 202 hire the next one, and so forth.

Re: GM self-driving tech unit Cruise laying off about 8% of staff

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It's still keeping the self-driving unit thought, even though there's a good chance it won't ever be successful. I don't think self-driving cars are realistic at all. I bet if you did a study and ran the numbers, it would be cheaper to put down rail on existing roads and make them rail-car only, automate those and subsidize rail cars.

I feel in the minority in thinking self driving tech will ever be viable. I've worked in computer vision startups and know how powerful the tech can be, but it still can't account with even a fraction of challenging driving conditions. I don't think anything short of general purpose AI could handle it. We are some pretty big discoveries away from general AI.

I also don't think they solve any real transport issues compared to traditional mass transit: https://battlepenguin.com/tech/self-driving-cars-will-not-so...

Re: GM self-driving tech unit Cruise laying off about 8% of staff

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I mean, when musk says this he gives data to back it up - that humans manage just fine with visual systems, and that lidar is really expensive.

> when musk says this he gives data to back it up - that humans manage just fine with visual systems What humans do 'just fine' isn't very relevant to self-driving tech. Humans balance just fine as well and yet the state of the art for robots is quite primitive. Airplanes also don't fly like birds. > lidar is really expensive Which, again, is somewhat separate to whether it is effective.

>Humans balance just fine as well and yet the state of the art for robots is quite primitive.

That's the whole point. Full autonomy will never truly happen until computers can do what human brains can with regards to driving. No amount of sensor technology will make up for that fact. It's a software problem, not a hardware problem.

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Almost 40 percent of those in households making less than $40,000 a year had lost a job in March. Tech sector has had it easy so far.

It's going to be a bit weird because a lot of those should come back because the underlying business didn't suddenly become nonviable.

> the underlying business didn't suddenly become nonviable

They may have. We don't know when or if things will go back to the way they were before March 2020 and how consumer and employer behavior will change.

For example, maybe movie theaters are completely screwed. Except as a novelty, the big business chains may not survive. Universal Studios is already pushing back on theater release windows and no live-action movies are being filmed right now, and who knows for how long that lasts. Will the public feel safe enough to go back into theaters all at once before theaters run out of money as if nothing happened? I imagine some of those jobs at least are permanently gone.

Employers will probably maintain work from home and cut back on office space. All those jobs that support maintaining offices may not come back either.

I don't think the restaurant business will jump back either, people can't just restart their failed restaurant as if they didn't lose all that money they needed to keep their already slim margin business open before the pandemic.

Re: GM self-driving tech unit Cruise laying off about 8% of staff

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, when musk says this he gives data to back it up - that humans manage just fine with visual systems, and that lidar is really expensive.

> when musk says this he gives data to back it up - that humans manage just fine with visual systems What humans do 'just fine' isn't very relevant to self-driving tech. Humans balance just fine as well and yet the state of the art for robots is quite primitive. Airplanes also don't fly like birds. > lidar is really expensive Which, again, is somewhat separate to whether it is effective.

> Which, again, is somewhat separate to whether it is effective.

Somewhat, but if lidar was really cheap it wouldn't really matter if it was also not-necessary.

Re: GM self-driving tech unit Cruise laying off about 8% of staff

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's going to be a bit weird because a lot of those should come back because the underlying business didn't suddenly become nonviable.

> the underlying business didn't suddenly become nonviable They may have. We don't know when or if things will go back to the way they were before March 2020 and how consumer and employer behavior will change. For example, maybe movie theaters are completely screwed. Except as a novelty, the big business chains may not survive. Universal Studios is already pushing back on theater release windows and no live-action mo…

Right - we saw a lot of businesses lose 80+% of their customers before any shelter in place orders were mandated. In low margin places like bars and restaurants, it's highly unlikely many can survive with even 75% of their normal level of business.
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