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GM self-driving tech unit Cruise laying off about 8% of staff

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Re: GM self-driving tech unit Cruise laying off about 8% of staff

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> Before the layoffs, Cruise had 1,800 full-time employees. Their hiring rate has been remarkable. Less than 3 years ago (6/2017) they had 200 employees. Just over a year ago (3/2019), they had ~1000.

Wow that is ridiculous. There is absolutely no way to have those numbers without a major compromise in the quality of hires.

There are 7,500,000,000 people in the world. A lot more than 800 of them are good at their jobs.

Re: GM self-driving tech unit Cruise laying off about 8% of staff

#52

"doubling down on our engineering work and engineering talent,” Cruise spokesperson Milin Mehta told Reuters. Do these folks even try to hide their lies? Doubling down = 2x the engineering staff. This is as they lay off in their lidar team. Can companies be sued for these types of basically false claims or are we just stuck commenting on what lies they seem come up with. Can you imagine if your day to day life involv…

What tort would you claim they’ve committed? It’s not reasonable to interpret that claim as literally doubling the amount of engineering staff. No court would consider that for even a moment. And even if you could argue that a spokesperson is lying about fuzzy concepts like the amount of focus company places on engineering, who does that wrong?

Re: GM self-driving tech unit Cruise laying off about 8% of staff

#53

"doubling down on our engineering work and engineering talent,” Cruise spokesperson Milin Mehta told Reuters. Do these folks even try to hide their lies? Doubling down = 2x the engineering staff. This is as they lay off in their lidar team. Can companies be sued for these types of basically false claims or are we just stuck commenting on what lies they seem come up with. Can you imagine if your day to day life involv…

They obviously don't mean it literally in terms of headcount, but more likely in terms of focus and determination.

Then it is mostly kumbaya.

Re: GM self-driving tech unit Cruise laying off about 8% of staff

#54

Just a note, but this is a perfect time for companies to lay off low performers without getting a lot of flak. This is usually the case when you see companies lay off people while continuing to hire as well.

Comments like this show up on all stories about layoffs. I don’t really understand your point. There’s never any reason to have layoffs unless the company deems it a good financial decision, right? And surely all layoffs would hit the lowest performers (by the company’s estimation of performance, which obviously might be flawed), right? So what is the difference between “the company did layoffs of its lowest performers due to financial pressure caused in part by the pandemic” and “the company did layoffs of its lowest performers using the pandemic as an excuse to avoid bad PR”? To me those are nearly identical scenarios.

Re: GM self-driving tech unit Cruise laying off about 8% of staff

#55
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Funny, as they were just a few weeks ago (even during the lockdown) certain recruiters were saying they were aggressively hiring -- and are still listed as hiring for example here: https://layoffs.fyi/tracker/ Seems like suddenly they got worried about how long they can maintain the burn rate. Doesn't help that driving and commuting fell off the map.

Full self-driving is a long way off, but GM can use Cruise to develop new active safety systems for their current cars. I don't think GM is doing as well there as Toyota or Honda, let alone Tesla.

Cruise (the SF company) doesn't do any work related to GM's current cars, we are focused 100% on full self driving.

Note GM has another product called SuperCruise which is a totally different thing.

Re: GM self-driving tech unit Cruise laying off about 8% of staff

#56
post #44

> Before the layoffs, Cruise had 1,800 full-time employees. Their hiring rate has been remarkable. Less than 3 years ago (6/2017) they had 200 employees. Just over a year ago (3/2019), they had ~1000.

Wow that is ridiculous. There is absolutely no way to have those numbers without a major compromise in the quality of hires.

Note that the average or median “quality” of employees isn’t really that relevant if you just need more employees to do more total work.

Re: GM self-driving tech unit Cruise laying off about 8% of staff

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Doubling down = 2x the engineering staff. This is as they lay off in their lidar team. Self driving will be solved with computer vision. Lidar is an unnecessary technology even for full level 5 autonomy. Most self driving companies have come to this conclusion by now.

Any data to back this up besides Musk saying his approach's the best?

I mean, when musk says this he gives data to back it up - that humans manage just fine with visual systems, and that lidar is really expensive.

Re: GM self-driving tech unit Cruise laying off about 8% of staff

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"doubling down on our engineering work and engineering talent,” Cruise spokesperson Milin Mehta told Reuters. Do these folks even try to hide their lies? Doubling down = 2x the engineering staff. This is as they lay off in their lidar team. Can companies be sued for these types of basically false claims or are we just stuck commenting on what lies they seem come up with. Can you imagine if your day to day life involv…

I never hear the phrase "doubling down" used to mean "doubling", except maybe in the original usage in gambling. But colloquially it just means "increasing focus on". In that use there is no inherent contradiction in downsizing + attempting to increasing focus. In fact that seems to be what almost all companies who downsize are attempting to do. Edit: In fact come to think of it, even in blackjack when you double dow…

The blackjack move is in fact a FOCUS of your attention, which potentially increases risk (but in fact if it increased your risk you wouldn't make that move -- you pick the focus based on expected value).

And it's pretty rare (if ever) that someone says "I'm doubling down on X" and they mean to say "I'm going to double the size of my bet across all my activities." Pretty much the opposite.

Re: GM self-driving tech unit Cruise laying off about 8% of staff

#59
post #54

Just a note, but this is a perfect time for companies to lay off low performers without getting a lot of flak. This is usually the case when you see companies lay off people while continuing to hire as well.

Comments like this show up on all stories about layoffs. I don’t really understand your point. There’s never any reason to have layoffs unless the company deems it a good financial decision, right? And surely all layoffs would hit the lowest performers (by the company’s estimation of performance, which obviously might be flawed), right? So what is the difference between “the company did layoffs of its lowest performe…

One indicates the state of the company and might indicate wider issues for the industry and the other doesn't?

Re: GM self-driving tech unit Cruise laying off about 8% of staff

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any data to back this up besides Musk saying his approach's the best?

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/05/07/elon-musk-calls-lidar-a... https://youtu.be/fNgEG5rCav4 > Anthony Levandowski, former Google/Waymo engineer, now backtracks on lidar and says, ”Elon is right.”

He might not be the most trustworthy source with the waymo thing.
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