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GM self-driving tech unit Cruise laying off about 8% of staff

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Re: GM self-driving tech unit Cruise laying off about 8% of staff

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Remember (approx. 6 months ago) when we were seriously, unironically worried that all menial labor jobs would be taken by AI? Now we're worried about all the AI jobs disappearing.

the layoff includes staff at an engineering team in Padasedna, California, that works on Lidar

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any data to back this up besides Musk saying his approach's the best?

I mean, when musk says this he gives data to back it up - that humans manage just fine with visual systems, and that lidar is really expensive.

> when musk says this he gives data to back it up - that humans manage just fine with visual systems

What humans do 'just fine' isn't very relevant to self-driving tech. Humans balance just fine as well and yet the state of the art for robots is quite primitive.

Airplanes also don't fly like birds.

> lidar is really expensive

Which, again, is somewhat separate to whether it is effective.

Re: GM self-driving tech unit Cruise laying off about 8% of staff

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Remember (approx. 6 months ago) when we were seriously, unironically worried that all menial labor jobs would be taken by AI? Now we're worried about all the AI jobs disappearing.

Almost 40 percent of those in households making less than $40,000 a year had lost a job in March. Tech sector has had it easy so far.

Re: GM self-driving tech unit Cruise laying off about 8% of staff

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"doubling down on our engineering work and engineering talent,” Cruise spokesperson Milin Mehta told Reuters. Do these folks even try to hide their lies? Doubling down = 2x the engineering staff. This is as they lay off in their lidar team. Can companies be sued for these types of basically false claims or are we just stuck commenting on what lies they seem come up with. Can you imagine if your day to day life involv…

Honestly, I'd rather work with them than with people who wilfully misinterpret statements and just flip a shit constantly.

"I think it's time to double down on email marketing" -> my teammates understand that means I'm going to switch where I put most of my effort.

I can just imagine you saying "Yet you're not allocating 8 hours a day instead of 4 on this. I'm going to sue you"

God, that would be exhausting.

Re: GM self-driving tech unit Cruise laying off about 8% of staff

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Just a note, but this is a perfect time for companies to lay off low performers without getting a lot of flak. This is usually the case when you see companies lay off people while continuing to hire as well.

Comments like this show up on all stories about layoffs. I don’t really understand your point. There’s never any reason to have layoffs unless the company deems it a good financial decision, right? And surely all layoffs would hit the lowest performers (by the company’s estimation of performance, which obviously might be flawed), right? So what is the difference between “the company did layoffs of its lowest performe…

It's true (or roughly true) that there isn't a reason to do layoffs unless the company deems it a good financial decision. But it's not true that a company will do layoffs whenever it's a good financial decision. You may know that there are low performers but choose not to let them go because you're worried about morale more generally to that other high performers will take it as a sign of trouble and jump ship. But in a bad economic environment that is less of an issue because high performers are probably more risk averse and fewer competitors are hiring anyway.

Re: GM self-driving tech unit Cruise laying off about 8% of staff

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"doubling down on our engineering work and engineering talent,” Cruise spokesperson Milin Mehta told Reuters. Do these folks even try to hide their lies? Doubling down = 2x the engineering staff. This is as they lay off in their lidar team. Can companies be sued for these types of basically false claims or are we just stuck commenting on what lies they seem come up with. Can you imagine if your day to day life involv…

“Anyone using Lidar is doomed, DOOMED!” Looks like GM is catching up to where the industry was a year ago, from A cofounder of Waymo. https://youtu.be/0w1G2GyPTUM

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Re: GM self-driving tech unit Cruise laying off about 8% of staff

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Comments like this show up on all stories about layoffs. I don’t really understand your point. There’s never any reason to have layoffs unless the company deems it a good financial decision, right? And surely all layoffs would hit the lowest performers (by the company’s estimation of performance, which obviously might be flawed), right? So what is the difference between “the company did layoffs of its lowest performe…

Well I think in good times, it's trickier to do a layoff. Like you said, it can appear like it's related to financial pressure. In good times, if you do a layoff, investors/shareholders will worry that you are doing it due to financial pressure or limited opportunities to use those employees to make money (growth). The way to say it isn't about financial pressure is to take the PR hit and say these are low performers…

Laying off in good times means you were bad at hiring in the first place. Laying off in the bad times means the bad things weren't your fault. It's a very good way to not have to convey to the market, your investors, your supervisors, and/or yourself that you may not be very good at hiring while also giving yourself another go at it (hopefully with better results, though probably not, unfortunately).

Re: GM self-driving tech unit Cruise laying off about 8% of staff

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Any data to back this up besides Musk saying his approach's the best?

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/05/07/elon-musk-calls-lidar-a... https://youtu.be/fNgEG5rCav4 > Anthony Levandowski, former Google/Waymo engineer, now backtracks on lidar and says, ”Elon is right.”

It also, conveniently, lessens the potential value of the data he took with him, to say this.

Re: GM self-driving tech unit Cruise laying off about 8% of staff

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"doubling down on our engineering work and engineering talent,” Cruise spokesperson Milin Mehta told Reuters. Do these folks even try to hide their lies? Doubling down = 2x the engineering staff. This is as they lay off in their lidar team. Can companies be sued for these types of basically false claims or are we just stuck commenting on what lies they seem come up with. Can you imagine if your day to day life involv…

“Anyone using Lidar is doomed, DOOMED!” Looks like GM is catching up to where the industry was a year ago, from A cofounder of Waymo. https://youtu.be/0w1G2GyPTUM

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Re: GM self-driving tech unit Cruise laying off about 8% of staff

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On other forums it seems like it splits into two group. One group says that it depends on the team and that they love their current team. And the other group is how working for Cruise is the worst decision they've made in their life. My curiosity is with, how does a company totally change their culture and do a complete 180%? From having workers completely hating their current company to completely not seeing themsel…

I'm not sure this makes Cruise particularly unique. There are a lot of FAANG and ex-FAANG employees on this board, and you can find lots of people who love their job and feel like they are well-treated, compensated and respected and doing a meaningful impactful job, and there are plenty who felt ignored, underpaid and disrespected while working as a cog in an machine designed to sell ads.

I think you'll find most FAANG developers feel quite well paid. But cog in a machine definitely describes many of the complaints.
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